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Speedy,

Any way u can give the date of the turn in ur AAR, please. Some times the pictures give it away. Not a biggie tho.

Kind regards,

Rasmus

Hi Rasmus,
 
I always put the dates in the subjct titles of each of my posts[:)]
 
For example my last post was "8-10th June 1942"
 
Regards

re: subs
 
 With DEI/Darwin held by Japan, where are your basing your subs? India or Australia? Or both?
 
 
re: CVs
 
 With the arrival of Wasp, how many US CVs do you have? IIRC, you haven't lost any, right? 

ORIGINAL: Speedy

Hi Rasmus,

I always put the dates in the subjct titles of each of my posts[:)]

For example my last post was "8-10th June 1942"

Regards

<---------- blind or darft take ur pick!

Rasmus

ORIGINAL: Walloc

Speedy,

Any way u can give the date of the turn in ur AAR, please. Some times the pictures give it away. Not a biggie tho.

Kind regards,

Rasmus

I´ve read Speedy´s AAR back in the good ol´ WITP days for months until I´ve asked it would be great to know the date. Only then did I realize it´s at the top of each post... [:D]

Hi all,

LOL.....you guys...I try to make it simple by putting it in the first place you would read - the title and it still gets missed[:D]

Hi ckammp - Good question on the subs. At present I have 5 sub commands - Dutch/Attu (for north Japan operations), Midway (for CentPac), Brisbane (for SoPac), Perth (for southern SRA), Columbo (for Burma/northern SRA). I am also in the process of about to develop a super secret 6th Sub command which may be divulged in due course [;)]

CV's - I've been particularly with CV use. Infact totally anal. They haven't even commenced on a single offensive operation to date. All of them are on the WC upgrading their AA and awaiting TBF's (Yorktown and Hornet have them so far).

Once they all have TBF's I do plan on using my CV's once and if the opportunity arises. I will not take on KB (a least on purpose). I see no theatre's that are crucially threatened and need CV interference (other than China but they can't affect there) at present either. Notwithstanding the above I do plan to use them on some missions depending on what happens over next 2 months (how long it will take to get TBF's on all CV's).

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CBI -

Looks as though the Japanese are about to attack Loyang again. Bombardments occured today via land and air. I have snuck in 2 Lancer squadrons to interdict any air interdiction tomorrow. AV's are 2866 Japanese vs 2517 Chinese.

The Japanese disasterously attacked outside of Sinyang costing them 6328 casualties vs 1110 Chinese.

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Submarine warfare -

A frustrating day with 3 dud attacks by Fleet boats...........

Hi all,

A fairly quiet 3 day overall.

CBI -

The expected on Loyang hasn't arrived. Fine by me. I now have 5 x ART Rgt's from Central Reserve on the scene hoping to at least add some weight to turn the tide.

Fairly static elsewhere still in China as we lick our wounds and attempt to re-stock and re-supply. I still have forces reinforcing Paoshan - upto 600 AV now - similar to Japanese totals. A further 130AV will be there within 10 days and then 2 x AT Rgt's and a further HQ are about 3 weeks out.

Oh yeah I managed to ambush 12 x Sally were expecting a milk run over Loyang. 21 x Lancer greeted them with lead....goodbye scum[8D]

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Australia -

74th Infantry Rgt has marched due south of Tennant Creek and is receiving daily love from1 Alice Springs. Further east the 8th Tank Rgt is reportedly nearing Normanton.....keep coming.....

Air raids are due to go in today. Up until now Alice Springs has been hosting B17's which have pounded Tennant Creek and the Japanese troops around it (1 x Division and 1 x Rgt) but Aussie Hudsons and Wirraways are going into the fray now - 2 x Squadrons at each Alice, Cloncurry and Normanton.

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Submarine warfare -

Just the 2 missed/dud attacks to report.

ORIGINAL: Walloc

ORIGINAL: Speedy


Very little action overall except the Japanese attempted to reinforce their position at Loyang, northern China presumably from the NE. Got a strange combat message though....never seen this before:

Ground combat at Loyang (87,43)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 1614 troops, 71 guns, 24 vehicles, Assault Value = 2046

Defending force 91073 troops, 567 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2356

Assault collapses, survivors seek cover

Japanese ground losses:
1368 casualties reported
Squads: 75 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 57 destroyed, 23 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 28 (5 destroyed, 23 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
42 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Its a shock attacked forced by moving over a river. They are deadly and since only 1 of the units making the move makes the assult and takes all of the casulties. Pretty sure thats what happend. As only 1 of the units crossing makes the attack the odds are really bad, but i've seen that the combined AV like in above is listed. While the "actual" attack is at very low odds.

Hope it helps,

Rasmus

Walloc,

I no longer think this is the case. It was when the game was new but it was considered a bug and fixed in one of the patches. It proved to be a nightmare in China where the Japanese player could move 100,000 men over a river hex vs strong Chinese force and still only one unit would shock with all the others gaining the crossing with no damage at all. Many AFBs were protesting it and they fixed it. Now all units that cross a river hex will make the shock attack.

Hi all,

Sorry for the break! I've been away in Portugal on our Sales kickoff being powerpointed to death, drinking alcohol and getting promoted.....back to the important stuff [;)]

CBI -

On the 15th an empty Aden bound convoy literally, almost, bumped into CV Zuikaku/Junyo TF which appeared out of nowhere due SE of Madras. During the day Vals/Kates bombed Madras damaging 20 x HI. Grrr. A smaller attack located my convoy in the PM sinking a KV and an AP. I had moved air assets into the area expecting the force to stay put on the 16th....unfortunstely they didn't.

China has been 'relatively' quiet with an apparent stalemate settling in over southern and central China.

I still suspect Faber is trying to take Loyang (he's probably resting there) and trying to outflank it to the north.

For my part 2 x Bde's and 1 x Corps routed the small 5th NCPC Inf Bde east of Kweisui on the 15th. Japanese forces in Kweisui evacuated the city on the 17th which my forces will recapture on the 18th.

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Australia -

Japanese forces are retreating away from Normanton (2 x ARM Rgt) being bombed daily by over 50 x Wirraway and Hudson.

Same as at Tennant Creek - the Bde advancing south has been reported as retreating back northwards.

I'm seriously beginning to wonder if Faber is just thinking of defence what with SigInt reporting a lot of force moving to Timor, Infantry Division on Java and SigInt has just reported the 2nd Division is heading to Cagayan.

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Submarine warfare -

A very successful day on the 15th....

SS Salmon blew up the tiny ACM Bisan Maru south of Sakhalin Island.

More importantly, SS O19 patrolling in the depths of the South China Sea SE of Cam Ranh Bay, located and sank the Oil laden Mansyu Maru class TK Syoyo Maru with 2 torpedoes.

Congratulations Speedy! [:)]

re: China
What is the situation at Paoshan?
Does Fabertong still have his armour stack attacking, or did he break contact?
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re: Madras bombing
Seems rather odd to send a CV TF to Madras and bomb HI; was the port empty of ships? (I assume ships, not HI, was the main target)
Also, the Junyo is, to me, too slow for such a raid, perhaps FOW?
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re: Australia
If Fabertong's goal in Australia is only defensive (keeping you away from Darwin/DEI), he is doing you a big favor. You can simply wait for your Aussie militia Divs to upgrade and use them to push him out; more importantly, you can use US and regular Aussie Divs for offensive purposes elsewhere. And, of course, you can get your bombers excellent training practice.
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re: RL
Surviving deadly powerpoint attacks in Portugal&nbsp;is well deserving of both alcohol consumption and job promotion. Congratulations!
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ORIGINAL: ckammp

re: China
What is the situation at Paoshan?
Does Fabertong still have his armour stack attacking, or did he break contact?

re: Madras bombing
Seems rather odd to send a CV TF to Madras and bomb HI; was the port empty of ships? (I assume ships, not HI, was the main target)
Also, the Junyo is, to me, too slow for such a raid, perhaps FOW?


re: Australia
If Fabertong's goal in Australia is only defensive (keeping you away from Darwin/DEI), he is doing you a big favor. You can simply wait for your Aussie militia Divs to upgrade and use them to push him out; more importantly, you can use US and regular Aussie Divs for offensive purposes elsewhere. And, of course, you can get your bombers excellent training practice.

re: RL
Surviving deadly powerpoint attacks in Portugal is well deserving of both alcohol consumption and job promotion. Congratulations!

if HI is bombed then that´s what Faber ordered his bombers to do, they would bomb the empty port if ordered on a port strike against ships, not attack HI instead

Wait, wait, wait.......Being Promoted!!!!![8D]

Hi all,

Witpqs - Thanks [8D]

ckammp - Faber is still at Paoshan. He hasn't attacked there since he stormed across the river. From memory he has 5 x ARM Rgt's and now an additional Bde and ART Bn. I have also reinforced since his moved across with an additional Corps, HQ and soon to be Bde + 2 x AT BN's. I feel quite secure there with plenty of supply, level 4 forts and with 700 (soon to be 800) AV vs Faber's 800 or so.

Madras - it did seem odd to me too. Quite a risky opp for 1 x 1st class and 1 x 2nd class CV's to take on. He clearly meant to attack HI but for me the risk far outweighed the reqrd (20 or so VP's). So far Faber has attacked Industry at Madras, Perth and Brisbane nettign 90 points or so.

Australia - 100% agree. Things seem to be happening though which I'll update on below.

RL - Thanks [8D]

Castor - agreed

Bruce - thanks you JFB you[:'(]

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CBI -

In Burma the Japanese have sent a unit (tbd what) to within 45 miles east of Kalemyo. Clearly trying to stop me building up this place. If he wants a fight for it great. I have more than enough force in SE India to tackle anything Faber can bring. A Blenheim raid on the unit has been ordered for tomorrow.

China - relatively quiet across the country except a few shells being lobbed by Faber at Loyang with little effect. The Japanese did try a full scale amongst the Mountains NW of Tsiaotso with disasterous consequences for them:

Ground combat at 87,41

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 23894 troops, 207 guns, 32 vehicles, Assault Value = 868

Defending force 30607 troops, 269 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1152

Japanese adjusted assault: 301

Allied adjusted defense: 3262

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 10

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker: shock(+), supply(-)

Japanese ground losses:
7715 casualties reported
Squads: 13 destroyed, 598 disabled
Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 349 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 33 disabled
Vehicles lost 13 (0 destroyed, 13 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
177 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 22 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

I'm so tempted to attack back but I have limited supply at the mo and the same defensive bonus that benefitted me will benefit the Japanese. What do you think (Recon since indicates Jap AV is down to 417)?

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Australia -

It 'appears' that Faber is withdrawing from his conquests of Tennant Creek and the 2 x ARM Rgt's near Normanton are still crawling to the NW being bombed daily by me. I am totally baffled by this action. What would be the point in invading northern Aus, moving a Division + Bde to Tennant Creek and then withdrawing after a month?

Maybe the total air supremacy I have in the region (i.e. 0 Japanese planes seen) is making him? Either way I'm acting cautiously but positive. A US led force is moving north from Alice Springs to investigate Tennant. At the same time 2 x ARM Rgt's are chasing the 2 x battered Japanese ARM Rgt's moving NW from Normanton. I still have substantial force in defence and throughout Australia just in case.

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Other areas -

Fairly quiet elsewhere as I move forces around and wait for TBF's to fill out my CV's.

Attu is now a fortress in the Aleutians and a forward sub base.

Faber invaded Cocos Islands in the IO. This is a PIA since they can interdict convoys to and from Aus/India. This will be dealt with in due course (i.e. months to come [;)])

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Submarine wafare -

After a good spell my subs have gone quiet on me again.

Just the 1 missed attack!

On the other side TK William H. Berg was sunk by SS I-16 east of Attu Island. In return DE Brooks force the sub to surface and fight it out...........it disappeared into the darkness (reported sunk).

I would definetely try an attack on the Japanese that failed miserably! They´ve lost 600 of their 870 combat squads and they must have a disruption of something like 80+ from their completely failed attack. Even if they get an excellent adjusted av, they can´t do that much damage to your troops as there´s just not enough left. And you could completely wreck his units by kicking them out of the hex. If I would be you, I would order a shock attack, I would expect your base av to be four times higher than the enemy´s at the moment. Add in high disruption and terrain for him and low supplies and shock for you and the odds should be on your side. What strikes me though is that there weren´t any guns destroyed. And FOW is on of course. But still, I would attack... If you decide to do so, don´t shoot me if you fail [;)]

Australia -

It 'appears' that Faber is withdrawing from his conquests of Tennant Creek and the 2 x ARM Rgt's near Normanton are still crawling to the NW being bombed daily by me. I am totally baffled by this action. What would be the point in invading northern Aus, moving a Division + Bde to Tennant Creek and then withdrawing after a month?

Maybe the total air supremacy I have in the region (i.e. 0 Japanese planes seen) is making him? Either way I'm acting cautiously but positive. A US led force is moving north from Alice Springs to investigate Tennant. At the same time 2 x ARM Rgt's are chasing the 2 x battered Japanese ARM Rgt's moving NW from Normanton. I still have substantial force in defence and throughout Australia just in case

You started this game recently, yes? Under the later patches, getting supplies through Tennant Creek - Daly Waters is an exercise in frustration. Whether that is the cause or not who knows.

re: China
While attacking with low-quality Chinese units is risky, this seems to be a good opportunity. The odds should be fairly heavy in your favor. And if the attack goes poorly, you can always blame castor troy! [:D]
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re: Australia
A couple possibilities:
&nbsp;1) Fabertong's attack was a recon-in-force, designed to both test your defenses and force you to commit forces to respond.
&nbsp;2) Either lack of supply, or lack of air cover, or both, forced a premature retreat.
&nbsp;3) A feint, designed to draw you further north, followed by an amphib attack on Normanton and/or Cairns/Townsville area, in attempt to cut you off.
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The lack of air cover is most puzzling; at the least, he is missing a chance to shoot down some of your bombers. Given the Allied replacement rate, that is doing you a huge favor.
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re: Cocos Islands
While definitely a PITA, the Islands will need a lot of work for Fabertong to use them as an air base. (other than float planes for recon)
At start they are Port- 1(0) and Airfield- 0(2).
Given the limited number of Japanese engineers, and the potential number of bases to be strengthened in the DEI, the Islands are probably a low priority.
And if used as a float plane base with an AV for support, that can be solved with one of your subs.

I'll take the contrarian view regarding China.

I would, for the following reasons, not attack in the mountains no matter how weak the enemy appears to be.

(1) FOW. How certain are you that the true picture has been disclosed.

(2) At this stage of the war, unless they have been in rest mode, a most unlikely situation for these Chinese units, they probably have morale no higher than 50%. Combined with their probable supply shortages, low killing power and terrain defense bonus (perhaps even defense fortification also), a rebuff is highly likely.

(3) The main value of the location is to safeguard your forward deployment at Loyang, ensuring no envelopement occurs and gaining time for the defenses of Sian to be organised. It is much safer to be conservative and maintain your strength rather than gambling on an attack which cannot be followed up to your profit but risks substantial loss of materiel.

Alfred

Tennant Creek is a dangerous place for Japan. Unless he has brought lots of armor units to OZ the Allied player can mass mobile units and cut it off. I don't think I would try to hold it. Best defense vs Allied mobile units is to hold only the towns on a major rail or road line. That would be Katherine.

Hi all,

Good discussion guys.

China - I mulled it over and have decided NOT to attack NW of Tsiaotso. Main reason I decided in this (as Alfred pointed out) is the rewards vs loss. By that I mean if I win, so what? I will not be able to use this force to threaten any nearby Japanese areas. My force is there to protect Loyang's flank and the path to Sian. By staying put I am entrenching and gain experience all of the time. The Japanese (now know) they will not be able to find a way through there.

Australia - Yes we started the game under the last but ione major patch. We're upgraded to just before the current Beta patch.

ckammp - Agreed on the possibilities for Aus. Still seems odd though. The force he's committed (that I can see) is totally insufficient to hold the ground EVEN against the Aus Army. If it is a feint it won't work since I'm committing enough force forward to take the ground he's taken with leaving plenty in reserve throughout Aus.

The more I see the more I'm thinking Faber maybe won't go for another big push anywhere. Today for example 18th IJA Division was reported to be heading to Tavoy. The 56th and IGD are in Burma. 2nd is going to Mindanao. The 5th is in Aus. 38th in Java.

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CBI -

Blenheim's have bombed IGD positions over the past 2 days east of Kalemyo causing minimal damage with no Japanese response.

5th FG/17th FS CAF Lancer's flew CAP over 63rd Chinese Corps SW of Kanhsien. A strike came in of Lilly's/Sally's escorted by Oscar's. 1 of my boys was shot down but 2 x Sally were claimed. Back we go to giding in the hills for now[;)]

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SoPac -

A BF convoy had unloaded her cargo at Funafuti and was speeding away to the SE (towards Pago Pago) after being spotted by a Jap sub. A Jap CV force had been despatched at flank speed and caught the convoy. 2 x AP and 2 x AK were sunk and both escorting destroyers were left sinking....grrr. At least 1 x Val was shot down by DD Crosby.

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Submarine warfare -

Still quiet. 1 missed attack by SS Flying Fish west of Seoul.