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Stanislav: THAT is what I would like for US TTs. Set the upgrade time period for August and PRESTO the Americans have Torps that work 60% of the time and then allow the normal January 1, 1943 correction and life is FINE for the Allied Player.

It has been brought to my attention the terrible starting experience American Squadrons start with during the war. What do you think of raising their starting experience to better reflect America's rotation program? A good Japanese player has their on-map training program and can turn out superior pilots so I think it makes better sense for the American units to start in better shape. Thoughts?

As to ARDs and that shipyard lets go as you and Michael suggest. Size 35 with an ARD or 2 arriving in 1942. How does that sound to AFB?

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

5. We may change the DUD Torp rate to 60% matching US ship launched Torps.

John. The only torpedo with problems was the Mk XIV (carried by the newer "Fleet Submarines"). Those carried by the S-Boats and Surface Ships worked just fine (Up to their specs, anyway. They didn't have the range or hitting power of the Jap Type-93---but then no other torpedo in the world did). Only the Mk XIV should have a "dud rate" at all.

I thought--and I show my lack of game knowledge here--that was what get gets the massive DUD rate within the game. I know all too well in my game with Bill that the S-Boats Torps work fine. If we go with the Mark 14, Mod 1 as FatR suggests then it can be set to the 60% rate with then the normal change in Jan 43 bringing it up from being annoying to downright terrifying.

Am I missing something here?

Skyland: Would you be willing to do the unit choice and placement for the French in the Mod once we make up our minds about all this?

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

I thought--and I show my lack of game knowledge here--that was what get gets the massive DUD rate within the game. I know all too well in my game with Bill that the S-Boats Torps work fine. If we go with the Mark 14, Mod 1 as FatR suggests then it can be set to the 60% rate with then the normal change in Jan 43 bringing it up from being annoying to downright terrifying.

Am I missing something here?

"DUD Torp rate to 60% matching US ship launched Torps." Might just be a typo..., but you implied a 60% DUD rate for US ship launched torpedoes, which would be totally wrong.

Sorry I wasn't clear about that. Now I think we are good.

John, I would not allow the US to build the big ARD's any sooner. If we add the two the brits put in singers the players can just move one, or assume one was moved prior to the war to Sydney.

Reasonable...

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Skyland: Would you be willing to do the unit choice and placement for the French in the Mod once we make up our minds about all this?

A vos ordres, Amiral ! [;)]

ORIGINAL: John 3rd
Skyland: Would you be willing to do the unit choice and placement for the French in the Mod once we make up our minds about all this?

Just fyi, in Babes we added a bunch of French ships arriving in 1945 and snuck the art for them into the standard ship art set. Might be useful to Brother Skyland.

Adroit Class DDs at Class 772 (1941), 773 (1943) and bitmap 278; (Fortune, Alcyon, Forbin, Basque)
Duguay Trouin CL at Class 770 (1941), 771 (1943) and bitmap 227;
La Galissonniere Class CLs at Class 776 (1943 version only) and bitmap 226; (Gloire, Georges Leygues)
Emile Bertin CL at Class 765 (1943 version only) and bitmap 063.

Well Done Sir!

ORIGINAL: mike scholl 1

John. The only torpedo with problems was the Mk XIV (carried by the newer "Fleet Submarines"). Those carried by the S-Boats and Surface Ships worked just fine (Up to their specs, anyway. They didn't have the range or hitting power of the Jap Type-93---but then no other torpedo in the world did). Only the Mk XIV should have a "dud rate" at all.

All torpedoes in the game have a dud rate. US surface ship Mk15 has 60% in 1942. And considering that, AFAIK, most of torpedoes fired during the attempt to scuttle Hornet clearly were duds, yes, they were problematic IRL as well.

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

I thought--and I show my lack of game knowledge here--that was what get gets the massive DUD rate within the game. I know all too well in my game with Bill that the S-Boats Torps work fine. If we go with the Mark 14, Mod 1 as FatR suggests then it can be set to the 60% rate with then the normal change in Jan 43 bringing it up from being annoying to downright terrifying.

Am I missing something here?

Reduction in US dud rates in Jan 43 and then in September 43 is hardcoded. And January 43 reduction is by set 20%, so if we indroduce modified Mk14 torps with 60% dud rate, it will be reduced to 40% on 43/1.

ORIGINAL: JWE

ORIGINAL: John 3rd
Skyland: Would you be willing to do the unit choice and placement for the French in the Mod once we make up our minds about all this?

Just fyi, in Babes we added a bunch of French ships arriving in 1945 and snuck the art for them into the standard ship art set. Might be useful to Brother Skyland.

Adroit Class DDs at Class 772 (1941), 773 (1943) and bitmap 278; (Fortune, Alcyon, Forbin, Basque)
Duguay Trouin CL at Class 770 (1941), 771 (1943) and bitmap 227;
La Galissonniere Class CLs at Class 776 (1943 version only) and bitmap 226; (Gloire, Georges Leygues)
Emile Bertin CL at Class 765 (1943 version only) and bitmap 063.

Careful, that might just get you a bottle of scotch when you come to Jax.

ORIGINAL: oldman45

ORIGINAL: JWE

ORIGINAL: John 3rd
Skyland: Would you be willing to do the unit choice and placement for the French in the Mod once we make up our minds about all this?

Just fyi, in Babes we added a bunch of French ships arriving in 1945 and snuck the art for them into the standard ship art set. Might be useful to Brother Skyland.

Adroit Class DDs at Class 772 (1941), 773 (1943) and bitmap 278; (Fortune, Alcyon, Forbin, Basque)
Duguay Trouin CL at Class 770 (1941), 771 (1943) and bitmap 227;
La Galissonniere Class CLs at Class 776 (1943 version only) and bitmap 226; (Gloire, Georges Leygues)
Emile Bertin CL at Class 765 (1943 version only) and bitmap 063.

Careful, that might just get you a bottle of scotch when you come to Jax.

We'll need artwork for a Frenchie CA. Which CA is the most reasonable (I did not say BEST) choice?

ORIGINAL: FatR

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

I thought--and I show my lack of game knowledge here--that was what get gets the massive DUD rate within the game. I know all too well in my game with Bill that the S-Boats Torps work fine. If we go with the Mark 14, Mod 1 as FatR suggests then it can be set to the 60% rate with then the normal change in Jan 43 bringing it up from being annoying to downright terrifying.

Am I missing something here?

Reduction in US dud rates in Jan 43 and then in September 43 is hardcoded. And January 43 reduction is by set 20%, so if we indroduce modified Mk14 torps with 60% dud rate, it will be reduced to 40% on 43/1.

Now I am confused again. Can we set a Mk 14, Mk 2 at 60% in August 42, the allow the NORMAL changes for Jan 43 and Sept 43? Sorry if this is a stupid question but I need to ask.

ORIGINAL: John 3rd
We'll need artwork for a Frenchie CA. Which CA is the most reasonable (I did not say BEST) choice?

Probably best for Skyland to answer this one. There were 2 Duquesnes, 4 Suffrens, and Algerie. I believe that's about it. I'm guessing Sky will opt for a Suffren, but he might go for Algerie since it had way the best rangeof the lot. I really dunno.

ORIGINAL: JWE

ORIGINAL: John 3rd
We'll need artwork for a Frenchie CA. Which CA is the most reasonable (I did not say BEST) choice?

Probably best for Skyland to answer this one. There were 2 Duquesnes, 4 Suffrens, and Algerie. I believe that's about it. I'm guessing Sky will opt for a Suffren, but he might go for Algerie since it had way the best rangeof the lot. I really dunno.

If it can be my choice, i vote for the Algerie for the range reason. I have the ART.
May be we can keep the Suffren and others arriving in the late reinforcements lot as in the official mod ?

Other question : what about the ships already in Indochina before the war ? Could we consider that some have escaped the Japs toward Singapore or HK ? May be with some damage ?
There was a CL, few PG, PC, SC, AM,... plus the xAPs/xAKs and a small ARD.

Algerie it is then!

Yes: I agree on keeping the reinforcements where they are.

The ships that were in Indochina should be represented and placed accordingly. My vote would be the Singapore area, however, if we proceed under the historical premise we've thrown out (with a reinforcement TF being sent from the French in North Africa to STRENGTHEN their possessions but it doesn't arrive until the Japanese take their target) then perhaps we should start with several damaged ships in Singapore and the rest either at New Caledonia or in Tahiti?

Could you come up with a list of Ships and anything else relevant?

Going with that thought, Skyland WHICH of these two bases is the logical HQ for these new units? Which was more important/settled to the French? Was one an administrative Capital?

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Now I am confused again. Can we set a Mk 14, Mk 2 at 60% in August 42, the allow the NORMAL changes for Jan 43 and Sept 43? Sorry if this is a stupid question but I need to ask.

Yes, of course. Changes will happen as usual - 20% reduction in dud rate on 43/1 (to 40%) and reduction of dud rate to the default 10% on 43/9.

By the way, John, you probably should put a link to the current RA file in your signature as well. The thread soon will fall far down the forum.