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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

A quick question.

Does anyone know roughly how many Japanese IDs are available in Korea? He can´t use Manchurian troops without paying PPs to cross the border so most likely the only thing on Korea will be what starts there and possible some unrestricted IDs recovering.

I have kind of assumed it wouldn´t be much and this seems confirmed by recon. Havn´t had time to look this up myself properly.

ORIGINAL: veji1

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

A quick question.

Does anyone know roughly how many Japanese IDs are available in Korea? He can´t use Manchurian troops without paying PPs to cross the border so most likely the only thing on Korea will be what starts there and possible some unrestricted IDs recovering.

I have kind of assumed it wouldn´t be much and this seems confirmed by recon. Havn´t had time to look this up myself properly.

Regarding the PPs, are you sure this is how both of you understand it ? instinctively I always bundle Korea and Manchukuo together.. I am pretty sure he will send some Manchurian troops in without even thinking he might be breaking an HR. Really to me Korea and Manchukuo are the same command de facto.

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

[font="Verdana"]2nd Battle for the East China Sea[/font]
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So, I had my first CV reaction. Not a pleasant experience...the CV Fleet separated from the Amphibs and that cost me some Amphibs I shouldn´t have lost. But luckily the CVs/CVEs stayed together.

Turns like these are hard because you lose so much. You have to keep the bigger picture in mind. Oddly enough today was a victory. Bittersweet but still a victory. Erik had his chance and did a lot of damage. But not enough...

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The Battle
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Yesterday I decided to move the entire fleet closer to the coast. I did this to intentionally draw Eriks strikes. The thought was that I rather take the strikes when not having to devote LRCAP to covering a landing or split the CVEs off. Not sure it was the right call but done is done.

I also decided to stand down my strike planes to put the Escorts on CAP. This I think was the right call as at the end of the day Corsairs was spent with only 150 left on CAP while the 700 Hellcats still flying managed to deflect countless of LBA strikes.

There was so much happening its hard to report everything but basically the entire Japanese air force and the KB launched from 3 hexes against my CV fleet. I got a really good CAP up but two KB strikes managed to get through.

Morning Air attack on TF, near Nakadori-jima at 101,56

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 187
B7A2 Grace x 182
D4Y4 Judy x 261

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 121
Corsair IV x 114
Hellcat I x 30
Hellcat F.II x 16
Seafire IIC x 16
Seafire L.III x 4
F4U-1A Corsair x 78
F4U-1D Corsair x 552
F6F-5 Hellcat x 887

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 65 destroyed
B7A2 Grace: 60 destroyed, 14 damaged
B7A2 Grace: 1 destroyed by flak
D4Y4 Judy: 76 destroyed, 22 damaged
D4Y4 Judy: 4 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair IV: 1 destroyed
Hellcat F.II: 1 destroyed
Seafire IIC: 1 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed
F4U-1D Corsair: 7 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 12 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVL Independence, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
CVL Langley, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CV Viking, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 3, Kamikaze hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CV Valhalla, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CV Bunker Hill, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires
CVL Cabot, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Healy
CV Victorious, Bomb hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVL Cowpens, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
CV Franklin, Bomb hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Makin Island, Torpedo hits 1
CV Indefatigable, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
CLAA Oakland, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Mertz
DD Remey, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Corregidor, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CLAA San Diego, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Evans, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
DD Halford, Bomb hits 1
DD John Henley, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
DD Hale
DD Albert Grant, Bomb hits 2, on fire
DD Converse
CVE Matanikau, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Luce, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage

That is the worst strike. Another KB strike in the afternoon finished most of the damaged ships off.

Sadly and most importantly the Amphibs didn´t react and was left without CAP which cost me. Luckily not too badly. I lose only 2 APAs and another 10 or so damaged but in no danger of sinking. Considering there are some 200 APAs/AKAs its not going to change anything.

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Losses
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Sunk:
CV Frankling, CV Victorious, CV Valhalla, CV Viking, CVL Independence, CVL Cabot and CVL Langley

Will sink:
Indefatigable, 3 CVEs, DD Remney, 2 APAs

Might make it:
CV Bunker Hill (64/53/37)

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Aftermath
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This might look very bad but I only lost about one seventh of my carrier capabilities. Not much given the big picture. Now I just have to make sure I havn´t suffered the losses in vain. I put the CV Fleet there to do a job and they did what I wanted them to do. 1700 Japanese planes are shot down during the battle. The KB air wings are wrecked again and LBA won´t be a factor for at least a week. My amphibs are intact.

Tomorrow we land in Korea.

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

[font="Verdana"]2nd Battle for the East China Sea[/font]
______________________________________________________________________________

So, I had my first CV reaction. Not a pleasant experience...the CV Fleet separated from the Amphibs and that cost me some Amphibs I shouldn´t have lost. But luckily the CVs/CVEs stayed together.

Turns like these are hard because you lose so much. You have to keep the bigger picture in mind. Oddly enough today was a victory. Bittersweet but still a victory. Erik had his chance and did a lot of damage. But not enough...

------------------------
The Battle
------------------------
Yesterday I decided to move the entire fleet closer to the coast. I did this to intentionally draw Eriks strikes. The thought was that I rather take the strikes when not having to devote LRCAP to covering a landing or split the CVEs off. Not sure it was the right call but done is done.

I also decided to stand down my strike planes to put the Escorts on CAP. This I think was the right call as at the end of the day Corsairs was spent with only 150 left on CAP while the 700 Hellcats still flying managed to deflect countless of LBA strikes.

There was so much happening its hard to report everything but basically the entire Japanese air force and the KB launched from 3 hexes against my CV fleet. I got a really good CAP up but two KB strikes managed to get through.

Morning Air attack on TF, near Nakadori-jima at 101,56

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 187
B7A2 Grace x 182
D4Y4 Judy x 261

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 121
Corsair IV x 114
Hellcat I x 30
Hellcat F.II x 16
Seafire IIC x 16
Seafire L.III x 4
F4U-1A Corsair x 78
F4U-1D Corsair x 552
F6F-5 Hellcat x 887

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 65 destroyed
B7A2 Grace: 60 destroyed, 14 damaged
B7A2 Grace: 1 destroyed by flak
D4Y4 Judy: 76 destroyed, 22 damaged
D4Y4 Judy: 4 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair IV: 1 destroyed
Hellcat F.II: 1 destroyed
Seafire IIC: 1 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed
F4U-1D Corsair: 7 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 12 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVL Independence, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
CVL Langley, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CV Viking, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 3, Kamikaze hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CV Valhalla, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CV Bunker Hill, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires
CVL Cabot, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Healy
CV Victorious, Bomb hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVL Cowpens, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
CV Franklin, Bomb hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Makin Island, Torpedo hits 1
CV Indefatigable, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
CLAA Oakland, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Mertz
DD Remey, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Corregidor, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CLAA San Diego, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Evans, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
DD Halford, Bomb hits 1
DD John Henley, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
DD Hale
DD Albert Grant, Bomb hits 2, on fire
DD Converse
CVE Matanikau, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Luce, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage

That is the worst strike. Another KB strike in the afternoon finished most of the damaged ships off.

Sadly and most importantly the Amphibs didn´t react and was left without CAP which cost me. Luckily not too badly. I lose only 2 APAs and another 10 or so damaged but in no danger of sinking. Considering there are some 200 APAs/AKAs its not going to change anything.

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Losses
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Sunk:
CV Frankling, CV Victorious, CV Valhalla, CV Viking, CVL Independence, CVL Cabot and CVL Langley

Will sink:
Indefatigable, 3 CVEs, DD Remney, 2 APAs

Might make it:
CV Bunker Hill (64/53/37)

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Aftermath
------------------------
This might look very bad but I only lost about one seventh of my carrier capabilities. Not much given the big picture. Now I just have to make sure I havn´t suffered the losses in vain. I put the CV Fleet there to do a job and they did what I wanted them to do. 1700 Japanese planes are shot down during the battle. The KB air wings are wrecked again and LBA won´t be a factor for at least a week. My amphibs are intact.

Tomorrow we land in Korea.

ORIGINAL: jeffk3510
Did your carriers react because you had them set that way in the react range, or do they have really aggressive TF commanders?

ORIGINAL: jeffk3510
Ive read through all of the cap vs escort numbers.. bouncing the cap.. yada yada....but your CAP outnumber his total strike 3:1 in the first strike
...I just don't get it. It would appear to me that with this many ships and planes involved, ships will ALWAYS be vulnerable.. regardless of how much
protection you give them from the sky.

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

ORIGINAL: jeffk3510
Did your carriers react because you had them set that way in the react range, or do they have really aggressive TF commanders?

They had react "0" and no commanders above 50 in aggression. This is actually the first time I had them react! Crappy timing eh! [:D]

ORIGINAL: jeffk3510
Ive read through all of the cap vs escort numbers.. bouncing the cap.. yada yada....but your CAP outnumber his total strike 3:1 in the first strike
...I just don't get it. It would appear to me that with this many ships and planes involved, ships will ALWAYS be vulnerable.. regardless of how much
protection you give them from the sky.

As indicated when he sunk 4 CVs I guess. [:)]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

I hadn´t considered that. Our HR clearly states "Pay full PPs to cross national borders". We did an exception for this with Thai units able to move into Burma. So I kind of assumed Manchurian troops wouldn´t be able to cross the border per our HR...I think I will have to bring this up with Erik.

Thanks for the heads up!

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Got a note from Erik saying he might not get the turn done until later tonight. Since I only slept 3 hours last night in 15 minutes intervals I will head to bed as soon as Ida falls asleep. 3rd night in a row she doesn´t sleep properly. Last night she woke up at 3:30. [X(]

So update wont arrive until tomorrow unless a miracle happens!

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

No clue about the threat tolerance. I always have it set to "ignore" or whatever its called. Used these settings since the start of the game and never had problem until now. Dang! [:D] Absolutely no clue on the Jap planes but I would assume they air force was completely wiped out by now. Someone else knows? [:)]

Have the second one coming in 2 months. Already have 13 months old girl. I can see whatever spare time I have disappearing once the second one arrives. Hope to have this game pretty much wrapped up by then! My other game has a much slower pace which will be fine.

ORIGINAL: JocMeister


Realistically that should mean about 10 divisions. Should be very manageable considering the armor I brought. The question is do I strike North or East...

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

For what it's worth with regard to Korea/Manchukuo, the Korea garrison is counted towards the 8,000 AV garrison requirement. The game treats them as one large area when it comes to the Manchukuo garrison. In my mind, that makes Manchukuo troops fair game, but I doubt he can push you off anyway. He'd be better served leaving them up north to delay the Soviets, IMO.