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RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:48 am
by kevinkins
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:33 pm
by CrazyIvan101
China and Russia were already doing that before the US left the INF. China and Russian already went far past that boundary and were making "better" IRBM's while the US sat on its arse due to weak politicians. They didn't care then and they won't care now whether or not the INF existed.
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:47 pm
by Filitch
Armed MQ-1 was a first violation of INF.
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:06 pm
by KLAB
https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... rgets.html
9M96 tested against surface target?
9M100 actually in service?
Interesting.
K
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:10 pm
by Dysta
HKG is ‘combat effective’, meaning PLA has openly and officially using the civilian airport in Hong Kong for military logistics after the HK-Macau-Zhuhai Bridge opening ceremony and Sino-Malaysia military drill.
I suggest to add Chek Lap Kok island layout in game for a full-size aircraft facilities.
https://3g.china.com/act/military/11132 ... 35250.html (Simplified Chinese)

RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:35 am
by Filitch
According to the press service of Northern Fleet - yes.
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:49 am
by CrazyIvan101
ORIGINAL: Filitch
Armed MQ-1 was a first violation of INF.
I didn't know Hellfire's were SRBM/IRBM's [8|]
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:56 am
by Dysta
ORIGINAL: CrazyIvan101
ORIGINAL: Filitch
Armed MQ-1 was a first violation of INF.
I didn't know Hellfire's were SRBM/IRBM's [8|]
Before the Trump Adminstration, UAVs are classified as missiles in MTCR.
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:52 am
by Filitch
ORIGINAL: Dysta
Before the Trump Adminstration, UAVs are classified as missiles in MTCR.
Exactly!
ORIGINAL:
INF Treaty
2. The term "cruise missile" means an unmanned, self-propelled vehicle that sustains flight through the use of aerodynamic lift over most of its flight path. The term "ground-launched cruise missile (GLCM)" means a ground-launched cruise missile that is a weapon-delivery vehicle.
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:26 pm
by Sharana
No surprise about where the Syrian S-300 was going to end up for now:
https://twitter.com/imagesatint/status/ ... 9952106496
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:29 pm
by kevinkins
How silly .. missiles in any interpretation of these treaties were never thought to be weapons that routinely return to their home base and be reusable after discharging their warheads separately from their main body. Armed UAVs are remotely piloted strike aircraft. One way missiles are not reusable UAVs. Reusable armed UAVs are not covered under the agreements in question. They are not missiles since they can return to base. Missiles can not. They are one way.
Kevin
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:42 pm
by Filitch
ORIGINAL: kevinkin
How silly .. missiles in any interpretation of these treaties were never thought to be weapons that routinely return to their home base and be reusable after discharging their warheads separately from their main body. Armed UAVs are remotely piloted strike aircraft. One way missiles are not reusable UAVs. Reusable armed UAVs are not covered under the agreements in question. They are not missiles since they can return to base. Missiles can not. They are one way.
Kevin
It's not silly. Please read text of treaty. Popular definitions like 'that routinely return to their home base and be reusable' dont't refer to treaty definitions. And if you reflect on cruise missiles like BGM-190, Kh-101, Kh-55 and others, you understand that are really UAVs.
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:49 pm
by kevinkins
So Mr. Arms Control lawyer, tell us how the US Reaper or any armed UAV from any country is covered under the missile treaty in question. They are not. UAVs are not missiles by definition. Missiles are one way ... UAVs are not. Don't you get it? It's like comparing a Baboon to Putin ... Oh darn ... maybe that's too accurate of a comparison. LOL.
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:46 am
by User2
US defenders got new low. A samurai would have said that they have lost their face.
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:30 am
by Filitch
ORIGINAL: kevinkin
So Mr. Arms Control lawyer, tell us how the US Reaper or any armed UAV from any country is covered under the missile treaty in question. They are not. UAVs are not missiles by definition. Missiles are one way ... UAVs are not. Don't you get it? It's like comparing a Baboon to Putin ... Oh darn ... maybe that's too accurate of a comparison. LOL.
I will not dispute and teach you. If you has no ability to read and undestand, it does make sense for you to go to elementary school. Until then don't jump into a adult conversation.
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:35 am
by kevinkins
Armed reusable UAVs/drones are here to stay whether we like it or not. Maybe the world would have been better off if they were banned in 1987. But they were not. Please take a look at pages 26-27 from a report issued Oct. 5 by Amy Woolf, an expert in the field:
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/nuke/R43832.pdf
"Principal Deputy Under Secretary of Defense Brian McKeon summed this up during recent congressional testimony when he noted that drones are not missiles, they are “two-way, reusable systems. The INF Treaty imposes no restrictions on the testing, production, or possession of two-way, reusable, armed UAVs."
Common sense prevails.
Kevin
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:06 pm
by LMychajluk
US warship shoots down missile in space in spectacular interceptor test
https://www.foxnews.com/tech/us-warship ... eptor-test
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:35 am
by Dysta
From now on, CNS Lanzhou will ensure the US and allies’ Free-O-Nav will not be a happy business:
http://www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/articles/AJ ... 60037.html

RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:07 am
by Hongjian
Really dumb how it is always the JMSDF or USN that is coming out with shots like this. It should be the PLAN and China's MOD's role to publish photos of their interceptions.
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:59 pm
by Hongjian
A new submarine built by the Jiangnan Shipyard.
Interesting small blended sail design.
https://twitter.com/dafengcao/status/10 ... 5443123201
