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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

End Game Aircraft Research/Pools

Thought, since we're talking about education for the end game players, that I might Post the current research thrusts and pool levels within this match.

The current planes being heavily researched are as follows:
1. Ki-100 Tony 8-44 115 Planes + 28 Tony currently producing.
2. Ki-84b Frank 8-44 212 Planes + 330 Frank " "
3. D4Y4 Judy 10-44 116 Planes + 128 Judy " "
4. B7A2 Grace 10-44 52 Planes

My bet is that we see Frank and Tony go into production next month. Judy should come in August or late-July.

Here are the current pools of Japanese Aircraft:

John,

Sorry if you've already said this, but does your mod have / are you producing the Peggy(T)? Many late war IJ players extoll the virtues of an IJAAF torpedo plane, particularly as the defensive perimeter shrinks.

ORIGINAL: John 3rd
Am pondering a Naval Question...

Sorry. I can't give you any tactical advice / thoughts / meaningful feedback with insufficient information.

Don't know how close the 1.0x10^6 is, where enemy submarine activity or SCTF activity has been most meaningful, the likelihood of getting through there without being detected, significant Allied bases in the area that may interdict the movement with land based bombers, etc. etc.

How is the evacuation of Java, Southern Borneo, and most of Sumatra going?

8 Peggy T a day - or at least the last day. post 3755

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

8 Peggy T a day - or at least the last day. post 3755

Thx. [8D]

ETA: This will not be enough.

I don't intend to slip through un-observered. My thought is to blast through, link up, and be concentrated for trouble. He only had fighters and 4EB based at Sorong, Ambon, and Boela...

I think you might be better served by keeping KB hidden until you have a chance to hit something really valuable. Letting Dan know where KB is does nothing other than telling him strike in another direction.

Just my two cents.

Could go through, hit the target, refuel, shock my opponent by roaring back through and going back to the Marianas. Have to think about it and make a decision...

"We zip in. Zip out. It's not like we're going to Wisconsin." Bill Murray--Stripes

We are up and over 250,000 AAR hits.

BANZAI!

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Could go through, hit the target, refuel, shock my opponent by roaring back through and going back to the Marianas. Have to think about it and make a decision...

"We zip in. Zip out. It's not like we're going to Wisconsin." Bill Murray--Stripes

Take the same way out that you took in? Number 1 NO-NO in Grunt Handbook. However rules are made to be broken.

Stuart in his 2 "Ride around the Union Army" never went back the way he came. Yet Forrest raided into west Tennessee crossing the Tennessee River at Clifton below Double Island(a great place to fish).
He returned the same way. In breaking this rule he made a new rule "Always know what is behind you". Forrest feinted that his RIDE would not cover already crossed ground and he kept a constant communication line of scouts from Clifton to wherever he was during the raid.

So Forrest knew what new enemy forces were waiting along the route he had taken and supposedly abandoned.


OR to quote a line from Young Guns "YOU WANT TO CROSS IN FRONT OF THAT S***HOUSE AGAIN?!"

And Harold Ramis answered i got my ass kicked in Wisconsin once. [:(]

Thank YOU! I was waiting for that rejoinder. LOVE that movie...

Always willing to play the straight man for WITPAE comedians.

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Here is current aircraft production and research. The numbers are slightly different due to some factories still repairing:

As an Allied FB it is fascinating and sobering to see the production numbers for Japan at this point. By mid 44 Allied production is finally getting reasonable but in 1/44 the Americans are only producing 35 B25s per month. Even with the production of 65 or so Liberators a month I still have a good dozen or more Allied bomber units flying with no aircraft or obsolete aircraft such as the Bolo.

Not complaining though, the Allies have their own strengths to counter these production figures and it makes for a fun contest. It is just sobering. My only question is will this kind of production hurt you come 1945?

John,

I'd like to amend my previous comment by saying that your production levels for your Peggy(T) will probably be sufficient. I like the production levels for your Frank-a and -b line. Why so low for the Ki-100 at this time? I assume that you will be producing more than 102/month? You might as well...the research is a 'sunk cost' at this time.

ORIGINAL: crsutton

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Here is current aircraft production and research. The numbers are slightly different due to some factories still repairing:

As an Allied FB it is fascinating and sobering to see the production numbers for Japan at this point. By mid 44 Allied production is finally getting reasonable but in 1/44 the Americans are only producing 35 B25s per month. Even with the production of 65 or so Liberators a month I still have a good dozen or more Allied bomber units flying with no aircraft or obsolete aircraft such as the Bolo.

Not complaining though, the Allies have their own strengths to counter these production figures and it makes for a fun contest. It is just sobering. My only question is will this kind of production hurt you come 1945?

You should look at it as victory point harvesting. Only a fraction of Japan's planes are competitive, the rest pretty much victory point gifts to the Allies.

John's store of planes and production will melt in less than one month once the Allies pursue an aggressive air superiority doctrine.

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

John,

I'd like to amend my previous comment by saying that your production levels for your Peggy(T) will probably be sufficient. I like the production levels for your Frank-a and -b line. Why so low for the Ki-100 at this time? I assume that you will be producing more than 102/month? You might as well...the research is a 'sunk cost' at this time.

The Peggy T constraint is trained pilots, very difficult to do for the Army. I wonder if you aren't better off forgoing the Peggy T and simply using the Peggy as a kamikaze where pilots could be trained from Dec 7.

In addition to the Pilot constraints, there is also the additional supply cost of the torpedoes, which can become geographically problematic. However, it would be interesting to take the best experienced IJA bomber pilots (exp 80+) train them in torpedo attacks and use them strictly as a night naval attack squadron. Super high experience seems to make a real difference here.

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

John,

I'd like to amend my previous comment by saying that your production levels for your Peggy(T) will probably be sufficient. I like the production levels for your Frank-a and -b line. Why so low for the Ki-100 at this time? I assume that you will be producing more than 102/month? You might as well...the research is a 'sunk cost' at this time.

The Peggy T constraint is trained pilots, very difficult to do for the Army. I wonder if you aren't better off forgoing the Peggy T and simply using the Peggy as a kamikaze where pilots could be trained from Dec 7.

In addition to the Pilot constraints, there is also the additional supply cost of the torpedoes, which can become geographically problematic. However, it would be interesting to take the best experienced IJA bomber pilots (exp 80+) train them in torpedo attacks and use them strictly as a night naval attack squadron. Super high experience seems to make a real difference here.

Good point about the pilot constraint for the IJAAF NavT trained pool. That may bode for identifying any existing Peggy(T) groups and MAX training them while possible. These planes-in this game-came in 3/44. That was about 2.5 months ago in game time. If sizeable numbers of squadrons of IJAAF 2EB ('level bombers') were converted to Peggy(T) 2.5 months ago, there should be some decent pilots starting to emerge soon.

I disagree about the use of the Peggy(T) as kamikaze. Too early to scavenge torpedo-capable airframes for that purpose. Not until all the Sally, Helen and Lilly (not to mention older single engine bomber airframes) airframes have been so utilized would I think use the Peggys in that capacity.

Your observation about the use of supply for torpedoes is well received, but overly parsimonious in my opinion. It's worth burning some supply to put a torpedo into the side of an American carrier or surface combatant. "You've got to break some eggs if you want to make an omelette."

I think the Peggy(T) will be a contributor to a broad group of options. This 'well balanced diet' of 1 and 2-engine kamikaze, IJAAF torpedo plane, IJNAF torpedo plane, IJNAF 800kg-carrying bomber, IJAAF level bomber, 3rd and 4th generation IJAAF and IJNAF fighters will help to defray some of the brittle nature of over reliance on any one defense.

John: How many groups are flying the Peggy(T)? What are their training settings like? What are your IJAAF NavT trained pilot pools?

Most of my IJA Sentai are flying Peggy (T). I have 4-6 groups where the TT experience is now over 50.

June 21, 1944

To get a perspective on what I am dealing with, here is a screenshot of the 1.0^10x6 moving down to cover the reinforcement TFs.