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Yeah, I just don't know. There seem to be lots of times when a bombardment does little damage, but few times when it does great damage. I could be wrong but I can't think of a time where I knew that there were high forts on the side that got blasted.

2 options
1: 2-3 days air&ground bombardment, and DA after.
2: Non-agressive option - bring everything You have at Naha to Gunzan and DA ( I know it can last 15 days or more). Till that happen - bombard all the time.


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Thanks guys! [:)] I´ll ponder it for an hour before making the call.

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

How about the low level of allied losses? No forts and he actually have more (and obviously bigger) guns then me. Supply limiting counter battery fire?

Is counter-battery as effective as actually launching a bombardment attack?

Don´t know but I took some wicked losses when bombarding at Masan earlier before I let the troops dig in!

Given those results & the possibility that his supply situation is poor - this may be a great time to attack with those tanks of yours and really put the hurting on that stack. If you hit them with some air first, all the better.

Game is reaching the end - why not hit him with the haymaker?

I did pull the trigger for next turn...fingers crossed. 4Es have refused to fly for 3 days straight now. Hopefully the take off this turn. If worst things come to show I can always fall back to the level 6 forts at Moppo and make a stand there.

It was bloody but we got this in control! [:)]

Short update before bed.

Ground combat at Gunzan (102,52)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 126541 troops, 2058 guns, 4612 vehicles, Assault Value = 5681

Defending force 190656 troops, 2471 guns, 1171 vehicles, Assault Value = 6942

Allied adjusted assault: 3100

Japanese adjusted defense: 3494

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 0)

Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
18421 casualties reported
Squads: 385 destroyed, 1104 disabled
Non Combat: 74 destroyed, 367 disabled
Engineers: 36 destroyed, 244 disabled
Guns lost 582 (126 destroyed, 456 disabled)
Vehicles lost 245 (49 destroyed, 196 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
9170 casualties reported
Squads: 220 destroyed, 729 disabled
Non Combat: 16 destroyed, 461 disabled
Engineers: 28 destroyed, 93 disabled
Guns lost 313 (35 destroyed, 278 disabled)
Vehicles lost 719 (28 destroyed, 691 disabled)

Losses are spread evenly with most IDs having 20-40 disabled squads. But the best new is the armor is almost completely intact. 2-3 Tanks disabled in each units. Disruption and FAT very low and only 10-20. 95% of the disabled vehicles are motorized support. This had the unfortunate consequence of bumping support into red though. I´ll start moving up some more from Moppo. Tanks will need to rest 2 days and then they will attack on their own. NO FORTS! Christmas! [:)]

NO FORTS! Well, that explains the bombardment results - the next attack is going to hurt him...I don't think he has anything there (by that list) that can do your tanks any real damage.

[font="Verdana"]Korea 14th-15th June -45 [/font]
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Lots of action these two days. Obviously the main action was here. This bombardment on the 14th:

Ground combat at Gunzan (102,52)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 120386 troops, 2054 guns, 3726 vehicles, Assault Value = 5708

Defending force 188464 troops, 2343 guns, 1008 vehicles, Assault Value = 7058

Japanese ground losses:
2287 casualties reported
Squads: 32 destroyed, 70 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 10 destroyed, 32 disabled
Guns lost 20 (6 destroyed, 14 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
227 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 16 (4 destroyed, 12 disabled)
Vehicles lost 31 (15 destroyed, 16 disabled)

Triggered the attack on the 15th.

Ground combat at Gunzan (102,52)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 126541 troops, 2058 guns, 4612 vehicles, Assault Value = 5681

Defending force 190656 troops, 2471 guns, 1171 vehicles, Assault Value = 6942

Allied adjusted assault: 3100

Japanese adjusted defense: 3494

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 0)

Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
18421 casualties reported
Squads: 385 destroyed, 1104 disabled
Non Combat: 74 destroyed, 367 disabled
Engineers: 36 destroyed, 244 disabled
Guns lost 582 (126 destroyed, 456 disabled)
Vehicles lost 245 (49 destroyed, 196 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
9170 casualties reported
Squads: 220 destroyed, 729 disabled
Non Combat: 16 destroyed, 461 disabled
Engineers: 28 destroyed, 93 disabled
Guns lost 313 (35 destroyed, 278 disabled)
Vehicles lost 719 (28 destroyed, 691 disabled)

As mentioned earlier my troops are in pretty good shape. The IDs are heavy on DIS and FAT but the armor is almost untouched. 1-2 days of rest and I can get the armor attacking again. In the meantime the IDs will have to suck it up and provide bombardments.

This is obviously a very positive result for me. I´m going to shift some artillery from the Masan stack to Gunzan and more reinforcements will come from Naha. Mostly Artillery and more armor but I also decided to bring in the US reserve stationed there. This is the breakthrough I been waiting for. Quite annoyingly the 4Es refused to fly for the 4th day in a row! [:@]

Erik also tried another bombardment of Moppo on the 15th. The newly built forts seems to have a really good effect.

Night Naval bombardment of Moppo at 100,54 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

24 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
CA Mikuma, Shell hits 1
CA Nachi
CA Maya
DD Isonami
DD Suzukaze
DD Yamakaze
DD Shigure

Allied ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 4
Port fuel hits 1

I don´t know why he is keeping up with these bombardment now. As I don´t have any planes stationed at Moppo they serve no purpose. 3 "E" where sunk by mines and PTs. Some 10 PTs lost.

[font="Verdana"]Rest of the world 14th-15th June -45 [/font]
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Good and bad news in China!

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China
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On the 14th we have a really good day winning several ground battles here. First iof all we finally secure Tsuyung with heavy Japanese losses.

Ground combat at Tsuyung (68,46)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 42505 troops, 872 guns, 538 vehicles, Assault Value = 822

Defending force 21946 troops, 295 guns, 77 vehicles, Assault Value = 421

Allied adjusted assault: 1084

Japanese adjusted defense: 442

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Tsuyung !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
8165 casualties reported
Squads: 120 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 201 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 115 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 163 (162 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 59 (59 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 5

Allied ground losses:
1023 casualties reported
Squads: 45 destroyed, 58 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 30 disabled

We also managed to secure Changteh.

Ground combat at Changteh (81,50)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 24575 troops, 33 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 947

Defending force 3562 troops, 37 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 92

Allied adjusted assault: 890

Japanese adjusted defense: 177

Allied assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied forces CAPTURE Changteh !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1277 casualties reported
Squads: 21 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 38 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 11 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 7 (7 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Allied ground losses:
295 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 24 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

The previously evicted defenders of Chihkiang are destroyed in an attack across the river.

Ground combat at 78,51 (near Chihkiang)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 89286 troops, 148 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3399

Defending force 2662 troops, 29 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 62

Allied adjusted assault: 4145

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 4145 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
3327 casualties reported
Squads: 157 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 146 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 29 (29 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
473 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 93 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

The bad news is that I try to start decimating the Canton/HK stack. Ouch!

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Ground combat at 81,55 (near Pingsiang)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 57403 troops, 1307 guns, 1142 vehicles, Assault Value = 2101

Defending force 125296 troops, 1192 guns, 681 vehicles, Assault Value = 3528

Allied adjusted assault: 398 [X(]

Japanese adjusted defense: 5437

Allied assault odds: 1 to 13

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2796 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 197 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 98 disabled
Engineers: 11 destroyed, 20 disabled
Guns lost 28 (6 destroyed, 22 disabled)
Vehicles lost 20 (1 destroyed, 19 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
4120 casualties reported
Squads: 52 destroyed, 965 disabled [X(]
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 134 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 89 disabled
Guns lost 207 (14 destroyed, 193 disabled)
Vehicles lost 110 (4 destroyed, 106 disabled)

Ouch, ouch and ouch. There is a real danger Erik will try and counter attack here tomorrow. Could be dicey if he does. I´m down to 1100 AV. Level 2 forts though. The 2Es will visit the stack tomorrow in case he goes for it.

I underestimated how much fight this stack had left. They have suffered 400-600 casualties per day for 3 weeks now and have been completely cut off for the same amount of time. I´m going to have to send reinforcement here if I´m to remove this stack. Ouch.

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Home Island
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After 3 days of humiliation over Kagoshima we finally get the upper hand on the 15th. This Sweep saw the combat debut of the Corsair 4. Its a really nice plane with a 446MPH top speed. Sadly the replacement rate is dropped from 158 to 115 which sucks. [:(] Hopefully the better plane can make up for fewer numbers.

Morning Air attack on Kagoshima , at 102,60

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 43 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 47
Ki-84r Frank x 20
Ki-100-I Tony x 67

Allied aircraft
F4U-4 Corsair x 34

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 4 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-4 Corsair: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Kagoshima , at 102,60

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 27 NM, estimated altitude 37,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 36
Ki-84r Frank x 16
Ki-100-I Tony x 56

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 42

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 3 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 5 destroyed

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on Kagoshima , at 102,60

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 18 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 28
Ki-84r Frank x 14
Ki-100-I Tony x 39

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

When the dust settles we have shot down 97 Japanese planes for only 25 of our own. Excellent day! [&o]

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Strategic Bombing
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The B29s take off for factories around the HI knocking out a completely unguarded Frank plant at Utsonomiya. The rest go for the Dinah NF plant and Sam factory at Tsu. Results are good but not stellar.

Ki-83r Frank: 148 (-30)
A7M2 Sam: 222 (-17)
J2M5 Jack 145
Ki-83: 52 (+30)
Ki-44 Tojo: 111
N1K2-J George: 72
Ki-100-I Tony: 67
Ki-102c Randy: 73
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 153
J7W1-Shinden: 3
Ki-46-III KAI 18 (-23)

A positive result obviously means I have found a factory previously not discovered.

Are you going to hit the Gunzan stack with some 4E admonishment? Out in the open with no forts....Maybe also hit the airfields to deny him a chance at making forts.....

You probably thought of this, but your boys at Gunzan could probably use more HQs and US Army base forces with their 200 support. If you can beat that uber-stack you'll be in clover. Also, if your 4Es don't hit him there, could it be he has the base LRCAP'd?

Cheers,
CC

ORIGINAL: morejeffs

Are you going to hit the Gunzan stack with some 4E admonishment? Out in the open with no forts....Maybe also hit the airfields to deny him a chance at making forts.....

Been trying for 4 days now. Stupid planes won´t fly! [:@]

ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

You probably thought of this, but your boys at Gunzan could probably use more HQs and US Army base forces with their 200 support. If you can beat that uber-stack you'll be in clover. Also, if your 4Es don't hit him there, could it be he has the base LRCAP'd?

Cheers,
CC

Already moving up the SOPAC HQ from Moppo. [:)] Should arrive in a week or so. He could have LRCAP of course but I have loads of sweeps set and even 200 P38s on escort. Its annoying to say the least.

Looking good

Especially good news that his bombardment from the sea was a waste of time

ORIGINAL: Encircled

Looking good

Especially good news that his bombardment from the sea was a waste of time

Indeed! Very pleased with that. Last time his big guns went in they didn´t manage to close the AF and that was with only level 2 or 3 forts. Now they are up to 6 so results should be even worse for him if he tries again with them.

And even if he does manage the fleet will arrive in a couple of day and then it will be for nothing anyway! So for now I´m happy to let him waste fuel and supply. [:)]

[font="Verdana"]The Fleet[/font]
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Speaking of the fleet...we are now starting to assemble for another run to Korea. This time we will leave behind a permanent Naval defense force at Moppo.

We will also land BFs at Saishu-To and artillery for Korea.

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The Allied Fleet
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CV Fleet - 2000 Planes
6 Fast BBs
12 Slow BBs
11 CAs
16 CLs
6x12 DDs

Some CLs and DDs will be left at Moppo to provide a deterrent for bombardments as I intend to permanently station planes at Moppo. Another batch of around 80 PTs will also be delivered. Subs are starting to come back from repairs and 21 are sent straight to Moppo. Another 14 are on their way from Manila. Further 30-35 will be ready within the week.

In addition to that many ships lightly damage in the "2nd day disaster" are nearing completion of their repairs. Within 5 days 1 CV, 1 CVL, 4CVEs 1BB, 4 CAs, 11 CLs and 10+ DDs will finish repairs at Manila. Within another 30 days 1 CV, 1 BB, 5 CAs, 2 CLs and another batch of DDs will be ready.

We also have some stuff coming in from Aden and the West coast. 1 CV, 4 CVLs, 7 CVEs, 2 BBs and 10+ DD/DEs should arrive within 60 days.

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The Japanese Fleet
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It looks like we have cleared out the numerous DE/MTBs/E TFs that roamed the waters outside Moppo. None have been seen for over 2 weeks.

We know the two Yamatos are still operational together with 3 or 4 of the slow BBs (one took 2 TTs a couple of weeks ago). We also have the 3 CAs that made an appearance at Moppo. Status of the KB is uncertain but believed to be 4-6 CVs consisting of 300-400 planes. I see at least two CVs repairing at Hiroshima under a 600 plane CAP. I won´t bother trying to sink them at port. They will be easier to destroy when leaving port if he can repair them.

Obviously we have a crushing superiority on the sea and while the IJN still exist they currently pose no strategic threat to the Korea operation.

Gunzan - Your screenshot of the troops there shows most divisions eligible for OOB upgrade in 15 days. Do you know what this will be?? Hopefully you will have the base then and can do it there.

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Gunzan - Your screenshot of the troops there shows most divisions eligible for OOB upgrade in 15 days. Do you know what this will be?? Hopefully you will have the base then and can do it there.

Yes, 27 Pershings and 27 Sherman CS tanks per ID! Thats going to add another another 300 heavy tanks of whom 150 are Pershings! Thats a SERIOUS punch!

135 Armor, 220 Anti Tank and 35 Antisoft. To compare with the Shermans 90/120/32. Only the Joseph Stalin II and III are more heavily armored. Nothing Japanese will come even close to touching the Pershings.

Should add also that this is the last TOE upgrade that will take place in the game. Nearing the end now.

[font="Verdana"]16th June -45 [/font]
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Quick update before dinner

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Korea
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Erik indeed had a large LRCAP up over Gunzan. Luckily at least some of my sweeps arrived first and the bombers where sheltered by the P38 escort.

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Morning Air attack on Gunzan , at 102,52

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 49 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 21
J2M3 Jack x 15
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 16
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 18
Ki-83 x 15
Ki-84a Frank x 11
Ki-84r Frank x 93
Ki-102b Randy x 12

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 38

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 4 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 2 destroyed

My P38 escort took a heavy, heavy beating though for little damage on the troops.

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Morning Air attack on 29th Division, at 102,52 (Gunzan)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 9
J2M3 Jack x 9
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 12
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 12
Ki-83 x 13
Ki-84r Frank x 47

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 66
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 63

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 25 destroyed [X(]
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 1 destroyed, 14 damaged
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
73 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled

Erik also tried to bomb my troops but the 15th NZ AA BDE fended them off easily shooting down almost 20 bombers outright. I doubt they will be back. No damage to the troops. In return the allies inflicted less then 500 casualties on the Japanese defenders. Not good enough for the losses I took.

If Erik keeps up his LRCAP tomorrow I have a little surprise for him.

A Japanese DE TF entered Moppo during the night. Probably to take out some PTs. One PT sunk.

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China
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No attack from the Canton/HK stack. My bombers did give them a good workover though.

Morning Air attack on 27th Division, at 81,55 , near Pingsiang

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 5
Thunderbolt I x 8
A-26B Invader x 3
B-25D1 Mitchell x 8
B-25G Mitchell x 3
B-25H Mitchell x 49
B-25J1 Mitchell x 69
B-25J11 Mitchell x 111
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 13
PBJ-1H Mitchell x 3
PBJ-1J Mitchell x 6
PV-1 Ventura x 3

Allied aircraft losses
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
1330 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 68 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 117 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 22 (1 destroyed, 21 disabled)

Other then that it was a quiet turn! Forgot to take a screen before ending the turn so you will have to live without one! [:D]