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Posted: **Thu May 31, 2007 3:04 pm**

ORIGINAL: Reg

Are we there yet. are we there yet, are we there yet.........

It is not CHS 2.08, and cannot be used with any ongoing CHS 2.08 (or prior rev) game.

Oh Bugger.

CHS Version 3.0

Are we there yet. are we there yet, are we there yet.........

Just can't wait!!!! [:D][:D][:D]

Sent off to Monsieur le Spook. Andrew Brown has them also. It shouldn't be long now.

When I say the art can't be used with CHS 2.08, I mean that the side and shil bit map numbers relate to my 099 scenario and using 099 AlliedShip_Back and AlliedShip_Transp .bmp files will likely crash a 2.08 game.

However, a cross-reference table is included for class slots 172 - 399 (Stock v CHS v CHS(J)), and a tabular class list giving .bmp numbers for every class. All of the ship blanks (about 390, or so) are identified by the class name and the .bmp number.

If you need some art for 2.08, just look up the class, copy the sides and shils into a temp folder, renumber them to the 2.08 .bmp number and drop them in. "Almost" all the 172-399 numbers will transfer directly; the 001-157 and 400-468 will not.

JWE

Posted: **Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:11 pm**

JWE's Allied ship profiles are now hosted at Spooky's site.

Be forewarned.
These will not work with any version of CHS at this time.

If you want to use them, some bitmap location numbers will have to be rearranged.[;)]

Hmm, the side DL's at Spooky's site stop at bitmap 299.
Are we missing some?

Posted: **Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:13 am**

ORIGINAL: Cathartes

Can't speak for the ships, but you can check out the "News and Info" section here for a little preview:

Cathartes' Art

Awesome work Cathartes, congrats!

Posted: **Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:22 pm**

ORIGINAL: Halsey

JWE's Allied ship profiles are now hosted at Spooky's site.

Be forewarned.
These will not work with any version of CHS at this time.

If you want to use them, some bitmap location numbers will have to be rearranged.[;)]

Hmm, the side DL's at Spooky's site stop at bitmap 299.
Are we missing some?

Actually, they work with the CHS(J) scenario 099 that is included in the set. This scenario is bascially AB's CHS 155, but with the class and ship dbs reworked. I've kinda done to all the auxiliary ship classes what Spidey has done to bases, and what Nik and BigB have done to the air model.

As I mentioned before, this is also a kind of developer's kit. There is a reference document included that will let people find the Scen099 number of any ship. Once found, all they have to do is copy, renumber, and paste into the CHS 2.08 art folders. The idea is to give you folks all the art and let you fiddle with it.

The last zip file, with sides 300-468, somehow didn't get through to the Spook. I sent it again; should turn up soon. In the meantime, everything is in the panels of blanks, and I included a background panel, so you can make up your own sides & shils.

Posted: **Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:21 pm**

I started reading this thread, but my eyes started to glaze over![8D]

Questions

1. How does this address the different aircraft types of the different mods (Nik, CHS, RHS, etc.)?

2. Has anyone checked with Matrix to see if they would be willing to change WTIP so that the bmp files for aircraft are treated that same as ships with a separate bmp files for each aircraft, so different mods could use different art work for the same slot number?

Posted: **Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:38 pm**

Thanks JWE![;)]

Yeah, I knew about the changes.
Just wanted to put it in layman terms, so us non-attorney types would understand.[;)][:D]

Posted: **Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:59 am**

I've got a question for all the Royal Navy fans here. I'm in the process of converting over to the standardized ship art while making changes to the stock set put together by JWE. What I mean in the way of changes is basically paint schemes. As a start, I'm currently changing the USN ships over from the gray colors to MS21 (overall navy blue) and have also redone the specific schemes for CV5, 7 & 8 art work bringing it in-line with the standardized scale. Following these changes, I am may also apply the MS22 and dazzle schemes to some USN capital ships, that is, if I don't give out before then.

However, when it comes to the RN and allied navies, I'm unsure if there was as standardized scheme such as the USN MS21 used. I have to admit that I'm not very well versed in this area at all. I've noticed that Dixie has standardized many of his excellent RN ships with camo schemes, but I was wondering if there was a basis (or non-dazzle/wavy) scheme to convert over to as a start.

TOMLABEL

Posted: **Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:10 am**

ORIGINAL: TOMLABEL

I've got a question for all the Royal Navy fans here. I'm in the process of converting over to the standardized ship art while making changes to the stock set put together by JWE. What I mean in the way of changes is basically paint schemes. As a start, I'm currently changing the USN ships over from the gray colors to MS21 (overall navy blue) and have also redone the specific schemes for CV5, 7 & 8 art work bringing it in-line with the standardized scale. Following these changes, I am may also apply the MS22 and dazzle schemes to some USN capital ships, that is, if I don't give out before then.

However, when it comes to the RN and allied navies, I'm unsure if there was as standardized scheme such as the USN MS21 used. I have to admit that I'm not very well versed in this area at all. I've noticed that Dixie has standardized many of his excellent RN ships with camo schemes, but I was wondering if there was a basis (or non-dazzle/wavy) scheme to convert over to as a start.

TOMLABEL

IIRC there was no real standard scheme across the RN until late 1942 onwards with the Admiralty standard schemes being devised. Until then the RN ships carried almost as many designs as there were ships, with official schemes being mixed with special one-off schemes. Some ships did wear plain grey during the war, but I think they were the exception. It may be easier to use the late war Admiralty scheme and use that as a basis for a black/gray dazzle scheme.

This site may be of some use, although it mostle focuses on the USN: http://www.shipcamouflage.com/3_7.htm

Posted: **Wed Jun 06, 2007 11:24 pm**

ORIGINAL: TOMLABEL

I've got a question for all the Royal Navy fans here. I'm in the process of converting over to the standardized ship art while making changes to the stock set put together by JWE. What I mean in the way of changes is basically paint schemes. As a start, I'm currently changing the USN ships over from the gray colors to MS21 (overall navy blue) and have also redone the specific schemes for CV5, 7 & 8 art work bringing it in-line with the standardized scale. Following these changes, I am may also apply the MS22 and dazzle schemes to some USN capital ships, that is, if I don't give out before then.

However, when it comes to the RN and allied navies, I'm unsure if there was as standardized scheme such as the USN MS21 used. I have to admit that I'm not very well versed in this area at all. I've noticed that Dixie has standardized many of his excellent RN ships with camo schemes, but I was wondering if there was a basis (or non-dazzle/wavy) scheme to convert over to as a start.

TOMLABEL

Sweet!! Kelley, please 'em along when you get a chance.

All files are now up on Spooky's site at: http://mathubert.free.fr

And Andrew Brown is also hosting the scenario and the complete art package at:

www.bur.st/~akbrown/witp/scenarios.html

Ciao. JWE

Posted: **Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:05 am**

ORIGINAL: Dixie

ORIGINAL: TOMLABEL

I've got a question for all the Royal Navy fans here. I'm in the process of converting over to the standardized ship art while making changes to the stock set put together by JWE. What I mean in the way of changes is basically paint schemes. As a start, I'm currently changing the USN ships over from the gray colors to MS21 (overall navy blue) and have also redone the specific schemes for CV5, 7 & 8 art work bringing it in-line with the standardized scale. Following these changes, I am may also apply the MS22 and dazzle schemes to some USN capital ships, that is, if I don't give out before then.

However, when it comes to the RN and allied navies, I'm unsure if there was as standardized scheme such as the USN MS21 used. I have to admit that I'm not very well versed in this area at all. I've noticed that Dixie has standardized many of his excellent RN ships with camo schemes, but I was wondering if there was a basis (or non-dazzle/wavy) scheme to convert over to as a start.

TOMLABEL

IIRC there was no real standard scheme across the RN until late 1942 onwards with the Admiralty standard schemes being devised. Until then the RN ships carried almost as many designs as there were ships, with official schemes being mixed with special one-off schemes. Some ships did wear plain grey during the war, but I think they were the exception. It may be easier to use the late war Admiralty scheme and use that as a basis for a black/gray dazzle scheme.

This site may be of some use, although it mostle focuses on the USN: http://www.shipcamouflage.com/3_7.htm

Dixie - Thanks! That is some very good information and helpful information. Also, thanks for the site info - I'll need to do some reading here to get up to speed somewhat.

JWE - Will do.

TOMLABEL

Posted: **Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:18 am**

ORIGINAL: Cathartes

are the planes still been worked on?

A Big, new perspective may appear anytime.

Cathartes, did I miss these somewhere or are you still working on the tops? [&:]

TOMLABEL

Posted: **Mon Jun 11, 2007 10:16 pm**

Yes, still working on them, but you will see a number of them released before they're all complete. Someone has them. Appearing soon.

The Plan: Finish Japanese sides for 1941+ first, then move on completing all planetops. Progress is slow, but there is prorogess.

Posted: **Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:10 am**

ORIGINAL: Cathartes

Yes, still working on them, but you will see a number of them released before they're all complete. Someone has them. Appearing soon.

The Plan: Finish Japanese sides for 1941+ first, then move on completing all planetops. Progress is slow, but there is prorogess.

OK, good. I thought I had missed them somehow. I'll keep a lookout for them. And again, great job on what I've seen so far and keep up the great work! Awesome!!

TOMLABEL

Posted: **Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:40 am**

Still playing around with this. Applied MS 21 Navy Blue scheme to most of that standardized set for the USN and resized some of my artwork to conform with the scale. I've played around with the dazzle on a few ships and will probably limit that scheme to USN capital ships. Once again, bitten off more than I can chew...

Posted: **Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:36 pm**

ORIGINAL: TOMLABEL

Still playing around with this. Applied MS 21 Navy Blue scheme to most of that standardized set for the USN and resized some of my artwork to conform with the scale. I've played around with the dazzle on a few ships and will probably limit that scheme to USN capital ships. Once again, bitten off more than I can chew...

Nice!!!![&o][&o][&o]

Posted: **Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:27 am**

Oh MY GOD!
Jewels!

[&o][&o][&o]

Posted: **Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:55 pm**

By all means, keep playing around.  Nice looking ships!

Posted: **Sat Jun 23, 2007 2:15 pm**

Hello, doing the RHS conversion to Standardized Artwork Set I discovered that those units doesn´t have art in CHS Standardized Artwork Set (thus crashing WitP)

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 Class	Name	                  Bitmap
 436	Aristaeus	            15
 474	Medium Tanker	            38
 1359	Barnegat	            50
 1528	P2 General Series AP	    60
 1524	Norwegian Tanker	    72
 467	British Q-Ship	            73
 1455	Mullion Cove	            74
 378	Wright	                    81
 499	Panay	                    82
 490	Abdiel	                    83
 1448	Vanguard	            84
 357	Delta	                    94
 375	Griffin	                    94
 381	Hamul	                    94
 1368	Flower	                    101
 475	USMC C2-S-A1 (USAT)	    160
 1238	Wichita	                    427
 1243	Brooklyn               	    429
 1285	Mahan	                    442
 1276	Porter                      443
 1277	Porter                      444
 1295	Sims                        445
 1280	Somers	                    446
 1281	Somers	                    447
 1284	Mahan	                    449
 1206	Indiana	                    450
 1274	Farragut                    451
 1314	Clemson	                    452
 1315	Wickes	                    452
 1319	Manley	                    453
 1291	Benham	                    454
 1287	Bagley	                    455
 1294	Sims	                    456
 1302	Bristol	                    457
 1215	New Mexico	            458
 1225	Pensacola	            459
 196	Repulse	                    460
 1409	Repulse	                    461
 433	Taney	                    464
 1327	Taney	                    465
 1328	Treasury AGC	            466
 1357	Biscayne	            466
 412	Sampson	                    467
 1526	Sampson	                    467
 463	Lucia	                    469
 460	Adamant	                    470
 465	Tyne	                    471
 1456	Woolwich	            471
 462	Resource	            472
 466	Wolfe	                    473
 259	Unicorn	                    474
 432	Black Swan	            475

Can anybody provide art (thus a fix for this) ?

Most of them are upgrades, so if the upgrado doesnt change the outside appearance of the ship, bitmaps can be reused, but until all the bitmaps that are used by CHS (and RHS) doesn´t have an actual bitmap Witp will crash

Posted: **Sun Jun 24, 2007 1:46 am**

You need an RHS man on this one.

The standard CHS package by JWE is a condensed version for scenario 99 on AB's website.
It has a lot less bitmaps than the original.
Hence your crashes.

You can always try my composite CHS package.
All bitmaps are included, though they are not all to scale.[;)]

Posted: **Sun Jun 24, 2007 2:42 am**

I suggest you read the various art file readme files.

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