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ORIGINAL: Schmart

With virtually endless Russian unit shells, to prevent a huge army if they run away, what about punishing them through logistics and industry? Historically, Stalin gave the Scorched-Earth order to remove or destroy everything possible. If the Russians run away, they can't have a very effective scorched-earth strategy. They would lose food, supplies, factories, population etc. That should be the trade-off: Stand and fight and you get lots of replacements. Run away and you get fewer replacements/industry, or maybe even give the Axis more, as the captured supplies, farms, industries, population, etc would be less destroyed and more useable. A simple current coding fix might be to reduce Russian Rail capacity. If players can run away and still save most of their industry, then that's wrong and a-historical.

ORIGINAL: GamesaurusRex

This has, however, done nothing to improve the Russian attack values and now I am finding that, contrary to all the ficticious claims about massive Russian advantage due to game bias , it is impossible to get a "retreat" against German units dug in "2" level fortified positions, despite using six Corps level units in the attack after air bombardment. (The forum postings about Russians achieving 94% percent victories on 1:1 or 2:1 attacks are just pure fabrication.) The rules say that the German morale is supposed begin declining in 1943... but according to Morvael, that is apparently not functioning and the German national morale levels remain at 70 throughout the game as of the latest patch. I need not explain the consequences of the effect of the Germans maintaining their 1941 morale advantage on the combat resolution results throughout the entire game. That does not bode well for my Russian attempt to ever get as far as Berlin.

I don't honestly believe that many of you have actually played the game beyond 1942. Rather, the German Fanbois have quit if they haven't won by 1942 and the Russians have been defeated by 1942 or won only because the German player didn't know how to play the German side.

ORIGINAL: Wheat

ORIGINAL: GamesaurusRex

This has, however, done nothing to improve the Russian attack values and now I am finding that, contrary to all the ficticious claims about massive Russian advantage due to game bias , it is impossible to get a "retreat" against German units dug in "2" level fortified positions, despite using six Corps level units in the attack after air bombardment. (The forum postings about Russians achieving 94% percent victories on 1:1 or 2:1 attacks are just pure fabrication.) The rules say that the German morale is supposed begin declining in 1943... but according to Morvael, that is apparently not functioning and the German national morale levels remain at 70 throughout the game as of the latest patch. I need not explain the consequences of the effect of the Germans maintaining their 1941 morale advantage on the combat resolution results throughout the entire game. That does not bode well for my Russian attempt to ever get as far as Berlin.

I don't honestly believe that many of you have actually played the game beyond 1942. Rather, the German Fanbois have quit if they haven't won by 1942 and the Russians have been defeated by 1942 or won only because the German player didn't know how to play the German side.

Ummm, tsk, tsk. You did NOT attack with 6 corp level units. I told you, USE 6 CORPS, plus air, sappers, artillery, decent commander. But noooooooooo. In went the doomed Russians. More statistics for Stalin. Hell, Zhukov should be dismissed....again. Snicker.

ORIGINAL: Wheat

ORIGINAL: GamesaurusRex

This has, however, done nothing to improve the Russian attack values and now I am finding that, contrary to all the ficticious claims about massive Russian advantage due to game bias , it is impossible to get a "retreat" against German units dug in "2" level fortified positions, despite using six Corps level units in the attack after air bombardment. (The forum postings about Russians achieving 94% percent victories on 1:1 or 2:1 attacks are just pure fabrication.) The rules say that the German morale is supposed begin declining in 1943... but according to Morvael, that is apparently not functioning and the German national morale levels remain at 70 throughout the game as of the latest patch. I need not explain the consequences of the effect of the Germans maintaining their 1941 morale advantage on the combat resolution results throughout the entire game. That does not bode well for my Russian attempt to ever get as far as Berlin.

I don't honestly believe that many of you have actually played the game beyond 1942. Rather, the German Fanbois have quit if they haven't won by 1942 and the Russians have been defeated by 1942 or won only because the German player didn't know how to play the German side.

Ummm, tsk, tsk. You did NOT attack with 6 corp level units. I told you, USE 6 CORPS, plus air, sappers, artillery, decent commander. But noooooooooo. In went the doomed Russians. More statistics for Stalin. Hell, Zhukov should be dismissed....again. Snicker.

(aside to the forum: I might lose the game but I am winning the psychological war.)

But I agree with Gamesaurus in that not many games go past 42, and thus, it gets really hard to tell how the bug fixes and tweaks will work out for most of us. I fully expect that as some have said, my army will melt away in 44 and beyond. We are using the 11 patch, but it frankly scares me to invest this much time and have the game go screwy cause in essence, we are still playtesting this monstrosity. But, Gamesaurus and I are having fun (he just sounds like he isn't) and that I guess, is what matters most to me in the end.

ORIGINAL: rrbill

"losing assign button" for me playing German occurs when AP's are zero. Next turn it comes back, all other things equal.

The game is very enjoyable and an outcome that matches history is fine with me. Victory playing Axis is in getting some advantage over historical timeline, casualty ratios, & territory.

Regrettable that the code resorts to kludge factors to ensure expected results ( e.g., 2:1/1:1) at certain points. Are there others? It would be nice if player visible factors in some way consistently relate to unit capabilities for movement, strength, casualties, etc. What's an arm chair Field Marshall to do if the troops keep secrets?

I am finding that, contrary to all the ficticious claims about massive Russian advantage due to game bias , it is impossible to get a "retreat" against German units dug in "2" level fortified positions, despite using six Corps level units in the attack after air bombardment. (The forum postings about Russians achieving 94% percent victories on 1:1 or 2:1 attacks are just pure fabrication.) The rules say that the German morale is supposed begin declining in 1943... but according to Morvael, that is apparently not functioning and the German national morale levels remain at 70 throughout the game as of the latest patch. I need not explain the consequences of the effect of the Germans maintaining their 1941 morale advantage on the combat resolution results throughout the entire game. That does not bode well for my Russian attempt to ever get as far as Berlin.

I don't honestly believe that many of you have actually played the game beyond 1942. Rather, the German Fanbois have quit if they haven't won by 1942 and the Russians have been defeated by 1942 or won only because the German player didn't know how to play the German side.

I am sorry, but I remain entirely unconvinced that this game has ANY Russian favor bias AT ALL... In fact, using the standard game settings, it is so heavily biased in favor of the German side as it stands now, that I can't see how the Germans could possibly lose. I won't quit playing the game, but if I ever feel like winning it against a human opponent, I will choose the German side to play. (And as soon as Wheat explains to me exactly the methods he uses to run the German side, I will gladly let him play the Russian side so he can "show me how it is done" with all those great Russian advantages.)