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RE: Ooops, I did it again (Lowpe (J) vs ?(A)

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:13 pm
by Lowpe
Progress in China

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RE: Ooops, I did it again (Lowpe (J) vs ?(A)

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:20 pm
by Lowpe
It was a good day...



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RE: Ooops, I did it again (Lowpe (J) vs ?(A)

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:23 pm
by Lowpe
Really good news here on this front...



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RE: Ooops, I did it again (Lowpe (J) vs ?(A)

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:29 pm
by Lowpe
Japan's goofy jump to the A6M8... should have 9 factories size 22 on it. Working hard on getting the engine bonus.



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RE: Ooops, I did it again (Lowpe (J) vs ?(A)

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:32 pm
by Q-Ball
ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Japan's goofy jump to the A6M8... should have 9 factories size 22 on it. Working hard on getting the engine bonus.



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Why 22 factories each? Isn't 30 the conventional wisdom to get a point a day?

RE: Ooops, I did it again (Lowpe (J) vs ?(A)

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:36 pm
by RangerJoe
ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Japan's goofy jump to the A6M8... should have 9 factories size 22 on it. Working hard on getting the engine bonus.



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Why 22 factories each? Isn't 30 the conventional wisdom to get a point a day?

Yes it is but in that scenario, the Rufe comes in on 1 January, 1942.

RE: Ooops, I did it again (Lowpe (J) vs ?(A)

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:36 pm
by Lowpe
ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

Why 22 factories each? Isn't 30 the conventional wisdom to get a point a day?

Yes, but in this AndyMac updated/modded scenario 2 the Rufe starts production Jan 42...and 22 was all I could get before the clock ran out...given the amount of time I wanted to micromanage this.

5% already advanced...[;)]

RE: Ooops, I did it again (Lowpe (J) vs ?(A)

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:39 pm
by Lowpe
Progress in the Solomon Sea...normally I leave this area for last...



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RE: Ooops, I did it again (Lowpe (J) vs ?(A)

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:34 pm
by Q-Ball
ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

Why 22 factories each? Isn't 30 the conventional wisdom to get a point a day?

Yes, but in this AndyMac updated/modded scenario 2 the Rufe starts production Jan 42...and 22 was all I could get before the clock ran out...given the amount of time I wanted to micromanage this.

5% already advanced...[;)]

OK, that makes sense! You only had 22 days to get those factories in place before Jan 1. 22 is better than 0, you'll have those planes in the first quarter of 1943, if my rough math is right

RE: Ooops, I did it again (Lowpe (J) vs ?(A)

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:30 pm
by Lowpe
Quick look at A6M8 and the George. I have come to a working hypothesis that although the M8 is a horrible plane, for 1943 it might be the most important plane Japan has to research because it is the best CV capable fighter.

I have successfully used the 5c thru the whole game...and look forward to using the m8. Although the end of 42 might be painful...

We will find out in this game.[;)]





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RE: Ooops, I did it again (Lowpe (J) vs ?(A)

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:51 pm
by PaxMondo
ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Quick look at A6M8 and the George. I have come to a working hypothesis that although the M8 is a horrible plane, for 1943 it might be the most important plane Japan has to research because it is the best CV capable fighter.

I have successfully used the 5c thru the whole game...and look forward to using the m8. Although the end of 42 might be painful...

We will find out in this game.[;)]
You are probably correct, but it is still a LOUSY plane to fight F4U or F6F with.

[:@][:@][:@]

RE: Ooops, I did it again (Lowpe (J) vs ?(A)

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:11 pm
by Q-Ball
ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Quick look at A6M8 and the George. I have come to a working hypothesis that although the M8 is a horrible plane, for 1943 it might be the most important plane Japan has to research because it is the best CV capable fighter.

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Just noticed the N1K1J in this screenshot has a max speed of 363; I am playing DDB-C, and it has a max speed of 393. What is the "correct" speed? Seems like that would make a big difference in performance.

IRL, I think 393 is closer to correct

RE: Ooops, I did it again (Lowpe (J) vs ?(A)

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:39 pm
by PaxMondo
So, JWE went through and made a number of adjustments that got implemented into DBB, but not stock.

As to which is "correct", you can find all kinds of numbers, the issue is being able understand the basis under which they were taken.

Here's the point that I rest on: JWE knew how the model worked, thus he also knew what type of number was needed to balance out things. I trust JWE did it right. So, in my mod, I use his numbers as my baseline. And yes, George was one of the few planes that had significant changes made to it. As good as a choice as George is in stock, in DBB it is even BETTER.

RE: Ooops, I did it again (Lowpe (J) vs ?(A)

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:51 pm
by Alfred
ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

So, JWE went through and made a number of adjustments that got implemented into DBB, but not stock.

As to which is "correct", you can find all kinds of numbers, the issue is being able understand the basis under which they were taken.

Here's the point that I rest on: JWE knew how the model worked, thus he also knew what type of number was needed to balance out things. I trust JWE did it right. So, in my mod, I use his numbers as my baseline. And yes, George was one of the few planes that had significant changes made to it. As good as a choice as George is in stock, in DBB it is even BETTER.

The really important point to remember is that JWE revised all the aircraft using the same standard. This was to maintain the relative relationships. He was always very adamant, and quite rightly so in my opinion, that one never cherry picked any single iten/device for reappraisal, either all were reappraised using the same standards, or none were. So any JFB who gets excited at seeing George at nearly 400mph should temper their joy by looking at the revised Allied plane data.

Alfred

RE: Ooops, I did it again (Lowpe (J) vs ?(A)

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:57 pm
by witpqs
Although I don't recall the reference at the moment, I remember reading a US fighter pilot's comment about the George being very good, an aircraft they definitely respected.

RE: Ooops, I did it again (Lowpe (J) vs ?(A)

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:05 am
by Lowpe
Jan 2, 1942

A disappointing turn...nothing bad, just I had planned on crossing Singers today and lo and behold I screwed up the coordination, and now it will probably take two more days. Worse, no damage put on the runways there so forts might have gone up a tick. And this throws off the timing of reinforcements to Ceylon.

China looks incredibly bad for the Allies, flanked a strongpoint at Yuanku SE of Sian, and moving on Sian with very strong forces. Ankang road seems deserted...

The Chinese forces around Ichang are still in the mountains, and they are some of the best Chinese forces in the game.

Not really concerned too much about Chinese raiders...they are looking at cutting the rail line at Sinyang. Flying Tigers are in Ceylon so IJAAF bombers are having a field day.



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RE: Ooops, I did it again (Lowpe (J) vs ?(A)

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:07 am
by Lowpe
Ceylon

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RE: Ooops, I did it again (Lowpe (J) vs ?(A)

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:05 pm
by Lowpe
Jan 3, 1942

More China victories on the approach to Sian...

Invasion Ceylon ongoing

Shock across the river at Singers set for the next turn I think....



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RE: Ooops, I did it again (Lowpe (J) vs ?(A)

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:53 am
by Lowpe
Shock attacking across into Singers today...I wasn't perfect on forts, but it should be more than 1-2. Hoping for 1.

Not all the troops are combined...we shall see. Probably pretty bloody.

Should grab a base on Ceylon, have to be careful as there are 50 flying tigers on Ceylon.

Strong progress in China continuing.


RE: Ooops, I did it again (Lowpe (J) vs ?(A)

Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:28 pm
by Lowpe
Jan 3, 1942

Allies use the Flying Tigers and some Blenheims to slow the attack on Koggla. Not worth the risk.

Our Singers attack is going in behind schedule...and the Allies have built up forts to an impressive level. [X(]

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