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ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK

Its hard to attain suprise with emilys flying about. 2-3 turns notice is your best bet on long invasions, unless he's really careless about patrolling the interior of the perimiter. (which i doubt )

Roger. Ironically it was his subs that spotted me in this one.

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

I'm amazed he even FOUND Wake. Everyone knows Brits suck at geography. [:D]

Ah i think you thinking of the wrong country there nic..... Its the Yanks that still think the worlds flat, and londons the only city in england....[8|] and couldn't find Irag and Afgan on a map

Careful now guys. Please if this gets closed down i'm gonna kick some arse. No politics please.

ORIGINAL: Speedy

ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK

Its hard to attain suprise with emilys flying about. 2-3 turns notice is your best bet on long invasions, unless he's really careless about patrolling the interior of the perimiter. (which i doubt )

Roger. Ironically it was his subs that spotted me in this one.

Surprise is all well and good but in this game you really need to wear a target down before you invade, bomb and bombard the hell out it, or as you know it gets very expensive.[X(]

Been following Speedys progress for quite sometime and I would say that he achieved as near surprise as you can get with such a huge invasion force. Patrol or subs either one were bound to have spotted this mass of ships by the time they got to Midway. Good job Speedy.

ORIGINAL: Bobthehatchit

Ah i think you thinking of the wrong country there nic..... Its the Yanks that still think the worlds flat, and londons the only city in england....[8|] and couldn't find Irag and Afgan on a map

Guilty....i can't find "Irag" either. [;)]

(why am i suddenly reminded of a Political cartoon by David Horsey of a CIA head, riding a Cruise missle through the streets of a typical English town, puzzling over a map and wanting to know the way to Afghanistan while a Brit with a tankerd in his hand watches on with bemusement. [:D] )

Sir Steven the Speedy: for once fabertong beat you to the punch with his AAR... we need an Allied perspective!

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

Sir Steven the Speedy: for once fabertong beat you to the punch with his AAR... we need an Allied perspective!

Its friday night....

In Britain, where do you think he's gona be....

56,000 men defending at Wake?! Jesus H. Nimitz . . . No, I don't think the Peguin was as surprised as you'd hoped.

ORIGINAL: Bobthehatchit

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

Sir Steven the Speedy: for once fabertong beat you to the punch with his AAR... we need an Allied perspective!

Its friday night....

In Britain, where do you think he's gona be....

hmmm.... you might have a point, there...[:D]

What the heck are YOU doing, hanging around the forum??[:'(]

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

ORIGINAL: Bobthehatchit

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

Sir Steven the Speedy: for once fabertong beat you to the punch with his AAR... we need an Allied perspective!

Its friday night....

In Britain, where do you think he's gona be....

hmmm.... you might have a point, there...[:D]

What the heck are YOU doing, hanging around the forum??[:'(]

Working tomorrow....[X(]

Will get bladdered tomorrow night.[;)]

Hi all,

Here's the Allied perspective Robert....I should be out.....but the misses has just come round and has left after another minor argument....as such I turn to WiTP.....

Woah. What a day. Not 100% decisive in that neither fleet was decimated but certainly my day overall.

It all started when SS Snook hit BB Mutsu with a torpedo amidships in the early hours of the morning.

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More troops waded ashore under murderous gunfire. I actuially SERIOUSLY fear for my troops now. They are down to 50% effectiveness and are disrupted as hell!

My CV's are going to bomb the hell out of Wake soon.

First things first though............

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The IJN KB reacted toi my CV's presence and by 7.30AM 100's of planes were screaming off the decks from both Allied and Japanese CV's (end of day sit rep below). The Allieds were first to find their targets. I don't normally like to post a lot of CR stuff but I think it shows the scale of ferocity of the days attacks. Hope you don't mind:

Day Air attack on TF at 76,61

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 92

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 123
F6F Hellcat x 11
SBD Dauntless x 108
TBF Avenger x 53

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 46 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 75 destroyed
F6F Hellcat: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged
SBD Dauntless: 10 destroyed, 23 damaged
TBF Avenger: 4 destroyed, 21 damaged

Japanese Ships
CVL Ryuho
CV Soryu, Bomb hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
CV Hiryu, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Hiei
CA Haguro

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 76,61

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 29

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 7
SBD Dauntless x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 2 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 3 destroyed, 8 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Soryu, Bomb hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
CV Hiryu, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CVL Ryuho

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 80,62

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 116
A6M3a Zero x 51
B5N Kate x 90

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 134
F6F Hellcat x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 81 destroyed
A6M3a Zero: 48 destroyed
B5N Kate: 77 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 25 destroyed, 7 damaged
F6F Hellcat: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
BB North Carolina
CVL Monterey
CVL Independence
CV Lexington, Torpedo hits 1
CV Saratoga

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
1 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 80,62

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 14
B5N Kate x 18

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 55
F6F Hellcat x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 12 destroyed
B5N Kate: 7 destroyed, 4 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 8 destroyed, 2 damaged
F6F Hellcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB North Carolina
CVL Monterey
CVL Independence
CV Lexington

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 80,62

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 21

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 51
F6F Hellcat x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 5 destroyed

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Both Soryu and Hiryu look screwed to me.

Lexington is just fine at 9/16/6.

The aircraft losses were heavy with over 100 Wildcats, 100+ A6M3a, 80+ Kate, 80+ Val, 20+ SBD being lost. (that screenie will be shown next).

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I have lost a lot of fighters but I have CVE replacements nearby (if they replenish that is!)

As I say I fear for my invasion forces. I am GENUINELY astounded that my LCU's are so decimated.

I think Faber will do 1 of 2 things:

1. Retreat all forces.

2. Retreat KB but press on with a suicide run of his SC TF's.

As I say the protection of the invasion is paramount. As such my CV's will move 60 miles further east to protect my fleets and to attack and IJN elements that remain in the area tomorrow.

If they go then on the next day I will pound the sh*t out of Wake.

The Americal Division is loading up at Midway bound for Wake.

Any questions/details guys?

Aircraft losses:

[X(]

You just decimated his pilot corps. I can't see how he'll recover from this unless he has a lot of reserve units to replenish his carrier air.

Hi all,

Well I must say i'm a bit disappointed overall. The invaion of Wake has failed. I don't see how my troops have become so decimated. Sure they landed against oppostion. But I have them 100% prepped and outnumbered him 7 divisions to 1!

The only positives are that the Combined Fleet is 1/2 of what it was.

The CR for today took 15 minutes! Faber chose option 2 and 3 of his SC groups hit my forces at Wake. Wow. What carnage. What carnage. Too much happened to to remember.

I won't post CR's this time but suffice to dsay look back at my 3 SC TF's. Of all those ships only 5 have no damage whatsoever..........

I lost BB Colorado outright. I've had to scuttle BB Maryland. I may lose BB Pennsylvania. Other CA/CL and DD were lost on both sides.

If people want a Jutland battle it is HERE. Seriously incredible.

IMO he won the night surface combat phase. Fortunately my CV's creamed him in the atfernoon and I mean CREAMED him. From 100's of planes that launched against his fleeing scum the following results were achieved:

BB Yamashiro, BB Fuso, CA Kako confirmed sunk + DD's

BB Nagato looks done for to me. Musashi moderalely damaged + CA/CL + DD's.

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Overall no complaints with the air or sea cmpaign. The LCU campaign against Wake has me p*ssed though. I have no choice but to evacuate my men!

As a parting shot every CV based bomber will try and bomb some Japanese scum on Wake tomorrow.

I still have 10ish division outside of Wake to use for Pacific operations but this is annoying,. It proves IMO without MASS prior softening up it is IMPOSSIBLE to take an ATOLL against 680 AV troops with EVEN 7 DIVISIONS fully prepped.

Oh well time for Hellcats, more CV's, Divisions, planes and next time it will be an EVEN BIGGER hammer.

Faber unfortunately has lost overall due to shipping and pilot losses IMO. Oh yeah Soryu confirmed sunk today.

The 2nd Marine Division has an AV of 7??!![X(] OMG. I'd lay odds that not one of those guys left will vote for FDR in 44.

Damn, 436 AV... Talk about getting squashed... Still, with the damage to the Combined Fleet, it might be a bit easier next time...

I know Mike.

Not to sound too moaney but I don't get it. These guys were 100% prepped. I know it's an atoll and such but what gives.

Ovrall a large tactical victory for me but strategically a setback.

Next time there will be no surprise attack but an attack over weeks by CV and BB forces to kill every Jap there. Then i'll land[:D]

On thinking on it you guys have to see this. This scale rarely happens:

Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese Ships
BB Nagato
BB Musashi, Shell hits 4
CA Mogami
CA Suzuya, Shell hits 2
CA Kumano, Shell hits 1
CA Kako, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
CL Jintsu
DD Tamanami, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
DD Urakaze, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Tanikaze, Shell hits 1
DD Arashio, Shell hits 2
DD Yamagumo, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Shirayuki, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Sazanami, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Uzuki, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
DD Asakaze

Allied Ships
BB Maryland, Shell hits 7, on fire
BB Colorado, Shell hits 9
BB Nevada, Shell hits 6
BB California, Shell hits 3
CA Louisville
CA Quincy
CL Phoenix, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CL Denver, Shell hits 1
DD Hutchins
DD Jenkins, Shell hits 1
DD Woodworth, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
DD Welles
DD Craven, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Lang, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Smith, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Balch
DD Dewey, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
E7K2 Alf: 2 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Nagato, Shell hits 3, on fire
BB Musashi, Shell hits 4
CA Mogami, Shell hits 1
CA Suzuya, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CA Kumano, Shell hits 1
CA Kako, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
CL Jintsu, Shell hits 3
DD Tamanami, Shell hits 11, on fire, heavy damage
DD Urakaze, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
DD Tanikaze, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Arashio
DD Yamagumo, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Shirayuki, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Sazanami, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Uzuki, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Asakaze

Allied Ships
BB Mississippi, Shell hits 8, on fire
BB South Dakota, Shell hits 3
BB Massachusetts, Shell hits 1
CA Pensacola, Shell hits 1
CA San Francisco
CL Nashville, Shell hits 1
CL Birmingham, Shell hits 2
DD Nicholas
DD O'Bannon, Shell hits 1
DD Pringle
DD Taylor
DD Bailey, Shell hits 1
DD Bancroft
DD Morris, Shell hits 1
DD Blue
DD Drayton
DD Clark

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese Ships
BB Haruna, Shell hits 2
CA Chikuma, Shell hits 7, on fire
CA Nachi, Shell hits 3, on fire
CA Ashigara, Shell hits 7, on fire
CL Oyodo, Shell hits 4
CL Naka
DD Shiranuhi, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
DD Minegumo, Shell hits 1
DD Suzukaze
DD Hatsuharu, Shell hits 1
DD Nenohi
DD Wakaba, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD Asagiri, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Yuzuki

Allied Ships
BB Mississippi, Shell hits 6, on fire
BB South Dakota
BB Massachusetts, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CA Pensacola, Shell hits 3, on fire
CA San Francisco, Shell hits 3
CL Nashville
CL Birmingham
DD Nicholas
DD O'Bannon
DD Pringle, Shell hits 1
DD Taylor
DD Bailey
DD Bancroft, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Morris, on fire
DD Blue
DD Drayton
DD Clark

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63


Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 2 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Yamashiro
BB Hyuga, Shell hits 4, on fire
CA Aoba
CA Kinugasa
CL Sendai, Shell hits 2, on fire
CL Kuma, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Hagikaze, Shell hits 4, on fire
DD Umikaze, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Akatsuki, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
DD Ikazuchi, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
DD Amagiri, Shell hits 5, on fire
DD Oboro
DD Akebono, Shell hits 1, on fire

Allied Ships
BB Maryland, Shell hits 25, on fire, heavy damage
BB Colorado, Shell hits 13, and is sunk
BB Nevada, Shell hits 3
BB California, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CA Louisville, Shell hits 4
CA Quincy, Shell hits 3
CL Phoenix, Shell hits 7, on fire
CL Denver, Shell hits 6
DD Hutchins, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Jenkins
DD Welles, Shell hits 1
DD Craven, Shell hits 4, on fire
DD Lang, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
DD Smith, on fire
DD Balch, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Dewey, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63


Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
SOC-3 Seagull: 4 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Fuso, Shell hits 2
BB Ise, Shell hits 1
CA Mikuma, Shell hits 2
CA Furutaka, Shell hits 3, on fire
CL Abukuma, Shell hits 4, on fire
DD Susuzuki, Shell hits 7, on fire
DD Hatsuzuki, Shell hits 7, on fire
DD Naganami, Shell hits 3
DD Onami
DD Michishio
DD Kari, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DD Kiji

Allied Ships
BB Pennsylvania, Shell hits 6
BB Tennessee, Shell hits 7, on fire
BB Idaho, Torpedo hits 1
CA Salt Lake City, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
CA Vincennes
CL Helena, Shell hits 2
CL Columbia, Shell hits 2
DD Bennett
DD LaVallette, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD Philip, Shell hits 3
DD Stanly
DD Aaron Ward, Shell hits 1
DD Laffey
DD Gansevoort, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Meade
DD Ralph Talbot, Shell hits 1

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese Ships
BB Yamashiro
BB Hyuga, Shell hits 2, on fire
CA Aoba
CA Kinugasa, Shell hits 1, on fire
CL Sendai, Shell hits 1, on fire
CL Kuma, on fire
DD Hagikaze, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Umikaze, on fire
DD Akatsuki, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Ikazuchi, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
DD Amagiri, on fire
DD Oboro
DD Akebono, Shell hits 3, on fire

Allied Ships
BB Pennsylvania, Shell hits 3, on fire
BB Tennessee, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB Idaho
CA Vincennes, Shell hits 3
CL Helena
CL Columbia
DD Bennett
DD LaVallette, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Philip
DD Stanly
DD Aaron Ward
DD Laffey
DD Gansevoort, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Meade, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Ralph Talbot