RE: 1944 November 29
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 4:30 am
Okinawa.


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Of course, he should have used more fighters if possible. Yes, but I'm not 100% sure it was a deliberate CAP trap. I'm not sure he expected the Allied carriers to be where they were.ORIGINAL: Lowpe
What a good trap, I have been waiting to see something like that.Of course, he should have used more fighters if possible.
And what is even better, is the use of inferior (but probably deep pools) of older planes. Setting up naval cap traps with somewhat obsolete fighters is perhaps their best use.
However, the Allied plane losses are very low and I wish he had been bleeding you better in the air every chance he got.[:(]
I'm guessing the Luckenback had a collision or something and would have sunk anyway since I didn't notice and send it to nearby Midway.ORIGINAL: Rio Bravo
witpqs-
16 smaller combat ships in one day in exchange for one Luckenbach; that's a nice bag!
Do you have a good guess as to the date when Okinawa will be fully under Allied control with all Japanese dead or captured?
Just curious.
Best Regards,
-Terry
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Ground combat at 70,45 (near Kunming)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 48293 troops, 418 guns, 212 vehicles, Assault Value = 1296
Defending force 17758 troops, 110 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 546
Allied adjusted assault: 187
Japanese adjusted defense: 2746
Allied assault odds: 1 to 14
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
1223 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 81 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Allied ground losses:
4467 casualties reported
Squads: 110 destroyed, 295 disabled
Non Combat: 28 destroyed, 24 disabled
Engineers: 14 destroyed, 13 disabled
Guns lost 24 (10 destroyed, 14 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Assaulting units:
30th Chinese Corps
11th (East African) Division
120th Red Chinese Division
3rd Prov Chinese Corps
70th Chinese/C Corps
6th Mixed A/T Mtr Regiment
272/273rd Bty 80th AT Gun Regiment
NCAC
7th War Area
Defending units:
57th Infantry Brigade
69th Infantry Brigade
116th/C Division
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Ground combat at 69,51 (near Lao Cai)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 4667 troops, 21 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 88
Defending force 2395 troops, 15 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 36
Allied adjusted assault: 22
Japanese adjusted defense: 1
Allied assault odds: 22 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(+), leaders(-), fatigue(-)
Japanese ground losses:
32 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Allied ground losses:
60 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Assaulting units:
3rd Chinese Corps
Defending units:
104th/B Division
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Ground combat at 69,50 (near Mengtze)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 15933 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 495
Defending force 1291 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 39
Allied adjusted assault: 507
Japanese adjusted defense: 10
Allied assault odds: 50 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), op mode(-), leaders(+), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(+)
Japanese ground losses:
938 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 9 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 13 destroyed, 29 disabled
Units retreated 1
Allied ground losses:
57 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!
Assaulting units:
21st Chinese Cavalry Division
50th Chinese Corps
78th Chinese Corps
Defending units:
55th Engineer Regiment
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The 147th heads into Praboemoelih, which will allow troops landed at Oosthaven to move up by rail. A Coy to seize Christmas Island is leaving Batavia on APD. The PB guarding Palembang were dispatched.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ground combat at Lahat (47,92)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 3457 troops, 48 guns, 16 vehicles, Assault Value = 113
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0
Allied adjusted assault: 53
Japanese adjusted defense: 1
Allied assault odds: 53 to 1 (fort level 0)
Allied forces CAPTURE Lahat !!!
Combat modifiers
Attacker: leaders(-)
Assaulting units:
147th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Palembang at 48,91, Range 8,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
PB Seki Maru, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
PB Shonan Maru #6, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
PB Shonan Maru #17, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
PB Nigitsu Maru, Shell hits 14, and is sunk
PB Hozugawa Maru, Shell hits 13, and is sunk
Allied Ships
DD Haggard
DD Hunt
DD Knapp
DD Rowe
Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 100% moonlight: 11,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 8,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 8,000 yards
DD Rowe engages PB Hozugawa Maru at 8,000 yards
DD Knapp engages PB Nigitsu Maru at 8,000 yards
PB Shonan Maru #17 sunk by DD Knapp at 8,000 yards
DD Haggard engages PB Hozugawa Maru at 8,000 yards
DD Knapp engages PB Seki Maru at 8,000 yards
Range closes to 3,000 yards
DD Rowe engages PB Hozugawa Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Knapp engages PB Hozugawa Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Haggard engages PB Nigitsu Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Rowe engages PB Shonan Maru #6 at 3,000 yards
DD Knapp engages PB Nigitsu Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Knapp engages PB Shonan Maru #6 at 3,000 yards
PB Nigitsu Maru sunk by DD Haggard at 3,000 yards
Obayashi F. orders Japanese TF to disengage
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Rowe engages PB Hozugawa Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Rowe engages PB Shonan Maru #6 at 2,000 yards
PB Seki Maru sunk by DD Rowe at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
DD Rowe engages PB Hozugawa Maru at 3,000 yards
PB Hozugawa Maru sunk by DD Knapp at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
Massive explosion on PB Shonan Maru #6
PB Shonan Maru #6 sunk by DD Hunt at 2,000 yards
Combat ends with last Japanese ship sunk...
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That was the same one that Sablefish elected not to waste torpedoes on. Maybe she was saving it for carrier plane target practice?--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Morning Air attack on TF, near Kagoshima at 102,60
Weather in hex: Severe storms
Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 17
Ki-84a Frank x 7
Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 11
F4U-1D Corsair x 9
F6F-3 Hellcat x 160
SBD-3 Dauntless x 2
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 1 destroyed
Japanese Ships
ACM Oi Maru, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
Aircraft Attacking:
2 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
9 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 10000 feet
12 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 10000 feet
10 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 10000 feet
11 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 10000 feet
10 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 10000 feet
17 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 10000 feet
9 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 10000 feet
14 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 10000 feet
11 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 15000 feet
7 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 10000 feet
12 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 10000 feet
12 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 10000 feet
8 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 10000 feet
CAP engaged:
24th Sentai/C with Ki-84a Frank (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 17000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 17000.
Raid is overhead
59th Sentai/A with Ki-84a Frank (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
17th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 38 minutes
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Kagoshima at 102,60
Weather in hex: Severe storms
Raid detected at 58 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 4
Ki-84a Frank x 2
Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 73
F6F-5 Hellcat x 10
SBD-5 Dauntless x 25
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 3 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
SBD-5 Dauntless: 2 damaged
Aircraft Attacking:
9 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 10000 feet
8 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 10000 feet
2 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 10000 feet
25 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 10000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 10000 feet
CAP engaged:
24th Sentai/C with Ki-84a Frank (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 17000 , scrambling fighters to 9000.
Raid is overhead
59th Sentai/A with Ki-84a Frank (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes
17th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 12000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes
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ORIGINAL: witpqs
I'm guessing the Luckenback had a collision or something and would have sunk anyway since I didn't notice and send it to nearby Midway.ORIGINAL: Rio Bravo
witpqs-
16 smaller combat ships in one day in exchange for one Luckenbach; that's a nice bag!
Do you have a good guess as to the date when Okinawa will be fully under Allied control with all Japanese dead or captured?
Just curious.
Best Regards,
-Terry
Nago... not really. I won't press any harder than as Naha, and I probably won't have the same level of bombardment resources. However, with airfields building around Nago I might get more bomber support. Then, it is x3 terrain (Woods-Rough).
It is curious what the air transports are doing. I haven't noticed any troop change so far. Maybe they are bringing in supply? That would make sense, because Naha must have started pulling all the extra supply from Nago. There was no supply captured at Naha, and IIRC the defenders started showing supply (-) right near the end. Even after they got kicked out of the base at Naha they could have pulled supply directly from Nago. So if we go with the theory that Nago is already low on supply, then maybe 2 or 3 weeks?
Now if you mean the entire Okinawa operation that is a different story. I'm thinking about staging the forces for Okinerobushima and Kume Jima at Naha, load and unload quickly (LST and LCI, load one turn then unload the next turn) to mitigate that shock attack as much as possible. I think both are lightly defended so won't last long.
All forces for Singapore have been staging farther south over the last few days. After tomorrow those entrained will have one last hop, into Jahore Bahru where 9 divisions plus the armour and the biggest artillery I have will assemble into combat formation for the crossing. There are currently ~70 or 71 k troops in Singapore and no doubt have great fortifications, but I anticipate only a short siege.ORIGINAL: Drakanel
Seems like the Singapore siege is not far away into the future. You are advancing fast there. It also seems that the philippines are quite empty.
Do you plan to more or less bypass them for the time being? Or are you going to reconsider and take them with some "small" forces, considering how empty they seem to be?
By the way... what is that task force you have INSIDE the hong kong hex? Did someone decide to go and ask some sake to the locals? [:D]
The real action was in the air, as Imperial fighters swept the skies over our armored spearhead encircling Canton, followed by carefully horded death gliders. Our own shining cloud of P-51D swept empty skies over the enemy fighters' base at Changsha. The bombers came from Hengyang. They destroyed about 4 vehicles and disabled about 67. Air losses were only slightly in the Empire's favor despite their doing the sweeping. Tomorrow P-47D25 and Thunderbolt I & II will sweep Hengyang while P-51D and P-47D2 cover the armor. The B-24 groups have moved from Vinh to Hanoi and will strike Hengyang's airfields.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ground combat at 69,51 (near Lao Cai)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 4608 troops, 21 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 84
Defending force 2318 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 31
Allied adjusted assault: 81
Japanese adjusted defense: 1
Allied assault odds: 81 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
204 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 21 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Assaulting units:
3rd Chinese Corps
Defending units:
104th/B Division
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Ground combat at 70,44 (near Tsuyung)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 23727 troops, 116 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 431
Defending force 3369 troops, 12 guns, 6 vehicles, Assault Value = 139
Allied adjusted assault: 140
Japanese adjusted defense: 223
Allied assault odds: 1 to 2
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
198 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 29 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Allied ground losses:
159 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Assaulting units:
35th Chinese Corps
58th Chinese Corps
Defending units:
RGC Capital Brigade
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No reduction in fortifications, but the casualty ratio is in our favor. Weather was bad and impaired air support. With the amount of artillery we have in this assault, and the proper armor support, the defense will certainly crack. Meanwhile two divisions are in reserve to speed recovery. One old BB will bombard tonight. All supply is landed but until the landing ships are clear the cruisers will remain on guard.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ground combat at Amami Oshima (98,64)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 40227 troops, 767 guns, 829 vehicles, Assault Value = 1298
Defending force 20608 troops, 282 guns, 44 vehicles, Assault Value = 539
Allied adjusted assault: 504
Japanese adjusted defense: 895
Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 4)
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
1126 casualties reported
Squads: 19 destroyed, 58 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 30 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 42 (4 destroyed, 38 disabled)
Vehicles lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
1413 casualties reported
Squads: 23 destroyed, 53 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 32 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 23 (7 destroyed, 16 disabled)
Vehicles lost 75 (11 destroyed, 64 disabled)
Assaulting units:
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
38th Infantry Division
37th Infantry Division
24th Infantry Division
5th USMC Tank Battalion
3rd Regiment
82nd Mortar Battalion
145th Field Artillery Battalion
223rd Field Artillery Battalion
97th Field Artillery Battalion
7th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
2nd AmphTrac Engineer Battalion
4th Field Artillery Battalion
226th Field Artillery Battalion
4th AmphTrac Engineer Battalion
Defending units:
Amami Oshima Fortress
Oshima Naval Guard Unit
53rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
21st Ind.Mixed Regiment
22nd/C Division
8th RF Gun Battalion
6th Ind. Field Artillery Battalion
72nd Field AA Battalion
21st Special Base Force
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