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ORIGINAL: sprior

Seriously, what's the risk/benefit here? If we take it can we keep it supplied and open or will be just have a bunch of hungry marines and a churned up field?

No banyans for you, marine.

Right, one would need a 50K supply "drop" with the initial landing. I still have to work out how many days that would take to get across the beach. Technically we don't have to "take it" as it is a friendly green dot. One would need to take enough AK's to unload 40-50K supplies in 3-4 days. It would then be a race to get the field up and running to a level 2 ASAP.

The benefit would be the incipient isolation of the huge Jap presence in New Caledonia. Of course, they might try a counter landing, but their landing force would be vulnerable to the surpise appearance of the Allied carriers.

I'm still working out the details. [:D]

Remember to bring Naval Support squads (in DaBabes that would be Shore Party squads) as they greatly improve unloading rates.

I'd need to look more and see who would be cutting off who. I'd really not just provide a live bombing practice target for the IJAAF and friends.

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Pretend I didn't read the manual.

Why was I unable to reload main gun ammo on Nevada at Wellington with a level 5 port and 30 naval support points, even with a loaded AE in support?

As others have noted, size matters....to a certain degree only. Next time the lawyers argue over clauses in the pre nup you can impress them with your knowledge of s.20.1.2.2 of the manual. The abridged version is as follows.

As the Nevada's rifles have an effect of 1500, they can only be rearmed where you can generate 3000 rearm points (ie 2x the effect of a weapon). The native rearm capacity of a port is provided in the table on page 109. From here you can see that a port sized 5 has a low rearm limit of 300 points, far below that required to allow rearming the Nevada.

You can supplement the native rearm capacity of a port with Naval Support squads. Each Naval Support squad provides 5 rearm points. Hence your port sized 5 would need 540 Naval Support squads to make up the deficit. With only 30 such squads at Wellington, you are well short.

Use of tenders can bypass deficient sized ports and Naval Support squad shortages. In the case of the Nevada, all AE classes and all (excluding one) AKE classes, if fully loaded, can fully rearm the Nevada. The one AKE class which cannot fully rearm the Nevada, is the Regulus class as it's total capacity is only 2560 points. Of course, if you had any other AE/AKE class present at Wellington but with less than a full load (specifically less than 3000 supply points on board), you would not be able to rearm the Nevada.

In summary, a size 7 port will fully rearm the big guns of any Allied BB. A size 6 port will rearm the 8" guns of any Allied CA, a size 5 port will rearm the 6" guns of any Allied CL. There will be very few Allied ports which will have present the necessary hundreds of Naval Support squads to make good for a "small" port. This is why fully loaded AEs/AKEs are so valuable, but remember the small size of the Regulus class which really relegates it to rearming Allied CAs.

Alfred

He can still get stuff to Noumea coming the west. I doubt you have anything good at naval attack that can reach out that far from Ndeni.

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

ORIGINAL: sprior

Seriously, what's the risk/benefit here? If we take it can we keep it supplied and open or will be just have a bunch of hungry marines and a churned up field?

No banyans for you, marine.

Right, one would need a 50K supply "drop" with the initial landing. I still have to work out how many days that would take to get across the beach. Technically we don't have to "take it" as it is a friendly green dot. One would need to take enough AK's to unload 40-50K supplies in 3-4 days. It would then be a race to get the field up and running to a level 2 ASAP.

The benefit would be the incipient isolation of the huge Jap presence in New Caledonia. Of course, they might try a counter landing, but their landing force would be vulnerable to the surpise appearance of the Allied carriers.

I'm still working out the details. [:D]

Ah...logistics. Everytime Cap Mandrake opens the door on the subject of logistics, I feel there is an opportunity for me to do some unsolicited pro bono work and translate the manual for his benefit.

Unless there is a typo in the above quote, we are talking about moving beaucoup men and materiel to a green dot base. Ahemm...cough...cough...perchance the logistics haven't been quite fully factored in to this contemplated exercise.

1. A dot base has a 5000 supply limit before supply wastage comes into play. Dropping off 50k of supply is going to lead to an awful lot of wastage.

2. The unloading rate of a cargo/transport TF at a dot base is extremely low, only 100 supply per day.

3. The unloading rate of an amphibious TF to a friendly owned dot base is provided on page 128 of the manual. For illustrative purposes, an AK in an amphibious TF would unload 300 supply daily (per AK ship), where the daily unload rate for an xAK in an amphibious TF is 125 supply (per xAK ship).

In summary, a 1-2 ship (AK or xAK) TF will carry sufficient supply to bring you up to the wastage limits. That single ship will take in the vicinity of 3 weeks to fully unload its cargo at the dot base.

Alfred

Naval support will increase the unload rate. All ships will have to be in amphibious mode, and the greater the number of ships the more will be unloaded per turn (though not per ship, as Alfred notes).

Supply wastage will take time to eat up the supply. If you decide to do this, bring as much supply as you can, in as many small xAK's as you can. As you build up the base - you did mention a goodly sized batch of engineers? - the supply limit will rapidly increase. Some supply will be wasted but most will benefit from the rising limit as the bases increases in size.

ORIGINAL: Alfred

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

ORIGINAL: sprior

Seriously, what's the risk/benefit here? If we take it can we keep it supplied and open or will be just have a bunch of hungry marines and a churned up field?

No banyans for you, marine.

Right, one would need a 50K supply "drop" with the initial landing. I still have to work out how many days that would take to get across the beach. Technically we don't have to "take it" as it is a friendly green dot. One would need to take enough AK's to unload 40-50K supplies in 3-4 days. It would then be a race to get the field up and running to a level 2 ASAP.

The benefit would be the incipient isolation of the huge Jap presence in New Caledonia. Of course, they might try a counter landing, but their landing force would be vulnerable to the surpise appearance of the Allied carriers.

I'm still working out the details. [:D]

Ah...logistics. Everytime Cap Mandrake opens the door on the subject of logistics, I feel there is an opportunity for me to do some unsolicited pro bono work and translate the manual for his benefit.

Unless there is a typo in the above quote, we are talking about moving beaucoup men and materiel to a green dot base. Ahemm...cough...cough...perchance the logistics haven't been quite fully factored in to this contemplated exercise.

1. A dot base has a 5000 supply limit before supply wastage comes into play. Dropping off 50k of supply is going to lead to an awful lot of wastage.

2. The unloading rate of a cargo/transport TF at a dot base is extremely low, only 100 supply per day.

3. The unloading rate of an amphibious TF to a friendly owned dot base is provided on page 128 of the manual. For illustrative purposes, an AK in an amphibious TF would unload 300 supply daily (per AK ship), where the daily unload rate for an xAK in an amphibious TF is 125 supply (per xAK ship).

In summary, a 1-2 ship (AK or xAK) TF will carry sufficient supply to bring you up to the wastage limits. That single ship will take in the vicinity of 3 weeks to fully unload its cargo at the dot base.

Alfred

Always with the negative waves Moriarty, always with the negative waves.

Number 3 says it all. 300 supply per turn per AK...even 20 AK's would unload only 6,000 per turn so it would take 4 days to reach 20,000 even without wastage. Meanwhile, the carriers would have to remain on station as beucoups bombers would deploy to Lunga.

Better perhaps would be to plan an attack on Luganville (after the proper preparation) which already has a level one airfield.

I so hate it when reality interferes with fantasy.

...on the other hand...there is Rossel Is..........

ORIGINAL: witpqs

Naval support will increase the unload rate. All ships will have to be in amphibious mode, and the greater the number of ships the more will be unloaded per turn (though not per ship, as Alfred notes).

Supply wastage will take time to eat up the supply. If you decide to do this, bring as much supply as you can, in as many small xAK's as you can. As you build up the base - you did mention a goodly sized batch of engineers? - the supply limit will rapidly increase. Some supply will be wasted but most will benefit from the rising limit as the bases increases in size.

Crazy... I mean like, so many positive waves... maybe we can't lose, you're on!

ORIGINAL: Mynok


He can still get stuff to Noumea coming the west. I doubt you have anything good at naval attack that can reach out that far from Ndeni.

See below [:)]

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake




Why, to overawe the wee Jap dobbers with our awesome supply of bulldozers, build a level 5 airfield in a week and then blacken the sky with the pride of Seattle

Fleas? [X(]

Coffee!!

Rock Musicians addicted to Heroin?

ORIGINAL: Moondawggie

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo




Fleas? [X(]

Coffee!!

Rock Musicians addicted to Heroin?

Nope...you're all wrong. I was thinking of this bad boy

********Japanase Airfield Noumea, 09;20, July 20, 1942********


Prime Minister Hideki Tōjō inspects a line of pilots, followed 4 steps behind by his wife Katsuko. Katsuko has a very small bosom.... no really, you would go like "Hory Crap!" if you saw her. And that is after breast feeding the three little Tojos. I know what you are saying, the guy is no catch himself. This is true. He looks like the kind of guy who waited inside the classroom for 20 minutes after school so he didn't get the "Hory Crap" beat out of him, but still, he is the Prime Minister, and if this war thingy works out OK he will be set for life. Even if it doesn't, he can still get 3 squares and clean socks. I'm just saying, it's the whole power thing, like honey to the bees, baby.

Anyway, so he is inspecting the line of pirots with his little girlie steps and....hold on.....what have we here? Getting out of the command car is this hot Ukranian blonde nurse in high heels and a starched white uniform that is injudiciously cut low to real a serious, gavity-defying bosom that would make you say "Hory Crap!". As she leans forward to exit the command car a hundred pairs of eyes turn in her direction. Can you blame them? After all, you don't see many hot Ukranian nurses in Noumea with a rack that would make Jane Russel blush.

Hory Crap! It's an air raid siren! Everyone to the slit trenches. What you want to bet the Ukranian gets in the trench with Hideki, the lucky bastard?

Yes, I can envision everyone racing for the slit. Trenches.

I didn't want to say that.

Turn went out btw

ORIGINAL: sprior

I didn't want to say that.

Oh yeah, right. [:D]

****************July 21, 1942******************

South Pacific: The B-17's from Suva raided Noumea harbor today and were met with 5 Tojos, 2 Oscars and 12 Nicks. None of the B-17's were lost but the WJD fighters broke up the attack on the port, which still has 2 CV's at anchor. One Oscar was shot down by the 17's and a stray bomb almost killed the Prime Minister of Japan and a Ukranian national. This was good because as a citizen of an allied country (Soviet Union), somebody would have had to fill out a friendly fire incident report. The B-17's were ordered to the naval attack role to scare the WJD cruisers lolling about West of Fiji out of SBD range. They probably won't hit warships making circles in the water at 30 kts but it might knock some of the bushido out of them. The B-26's and B-24's at Suva are hitting the WJD troops at Nadi every day but aren't doing much damage. I hope they are at least using up WJD supplies.

Vincennes and Devonshire left Auckland to cover the AP's when the come back to Suva to unload the rest of South Pac HQ, the reconstituted I Amphib Corps HQ and some more armor.

Oz: More AK's coming and going at Darwin. I think now more coming as Jap troop strength at Katherine is now confirmed to be nearly 40,000. No planes oeprating from Katherine. Jap 38th Div North of Daly is getting pummeled by the heavies from Alice.

ORIGINAL: sprior

I didn't want to say that.

Neither did I. We just have more class.

By ra way, in contrast to the Tojos, the Nicks are a really nice family, Mr. Nick-san, his lovely wife and the 10 kids. All of them were in Noumea during the raid. Fortunately, none were hurt. They, are by anyone's defintion, a "nuclear" family. They will be heading back to Nagasaki when the tranpsort plane arrives.