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RE: Where did the Cavalry Go!!!?
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:55 pm
by Soapy Frog
Thresh, you miss the point, we want to play EiA. If you bought Monopoly and discovered that on that particular printing, Boardwalk was half price and all the Chance cards gave $200 regardless, would you feel like you were playing Monopoly?
The complaints about OOB are not that they are/aren't historical, it's that they aren't EiA. If you want to mod the game to your tastes, that's cool, but let's start with the boardgame as a baseline.
Regarding Prussian corps arrangement; sometimes (a LOT of the time!) gameplay and practicality take a backseat to realism. Again, "corps" are very nebulous organizations, just as you might complain that the Prussian OOB is not correct pre-1812, equally there is no practical reason why the French XII corps must be limited in size compared to the French I corps... and so on...
RE: Where did the Cavalry Go!!!?
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:43 am
by sw30
I would hope that the "fix" is not to implement the EiA OOB, but to implement EiHv5. I hated the EiA OOB, even when I was playing it. Never mind historicalness, it was junk balance-wise.
RE: Where did the Cavalry Go!!!?
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:43 am
by moopere
ORIGINAL: Soapy Frog
The complaints about OOB are not that they are/aren't historical, it's that they aren't EiA. If you want to mod the game to your tastes, that's cool, but let's start with the boardgame as a baseline.
This seems like a reasonable proposition, however, are we going to get a scenario editor? I believe so, and if we do then I'm guessing that such stuff will be able to be changed by players and groups of players to more closely resemble either the boardgame or their own interpretation of history.
Regards,
Moopere
RE: Where did the Cavalry Go!!!?
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:02 am
by Thresh
Either its a historical game, or its a game based on history.
Right now, its the latter.. which for some people is fine.
Thresh
ORIGINAL: Soapy Frog
Thresh, you miss the point, we want to play EiA. If you bought Monopoly and discovered that on that particular printing, Boardwalk was half price and all the Chance cards gave $200 regardless, would you feel like you were playing Monopoly?
The complaints about OOB are not that they are/aren't historical, it's that they aren't EiA. If you want to mod the game to your tastes, that's cool, but let's start with the boardgame as a baseline.
Regarding Prussian corps arrangement; sometimes (a LOT of the time!) gameplay and practicality take a backseat to realism. Again, "corps" are very nebulous organizations, just as you might complain that the Prussian OOB is not correct pre-1812, equally there is no practical reason why the French XII corps must be limited in size compared to the French I corps... and so on...
RE: Where did the Cavalry Go!!!?
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:04 am
by bresh
So dont forget in your editor change back all :
Prussia Gd-corps,
Austrian Gd-corps,
Tyrkish Jan-corps.
Russian cav-corps.
Else you wont really have EIA.
Regards
Bresh
RE: Where did the Cavalry Go!!!?
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:44 pm
by pzgndr
I would hope that the "fix" is not to implement the EiA OOB, but to implement EiHv5.
This does not have to be an either/or debate. With an editor, we can have both and more.
Question for Marshall and Richard would be, why not simply provide both OOBs (EiA original defaults and EiH v4/v5 mods) for all scenarios when you get around to working on them for the update?? Just make them part of the standard patch release.