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But let the Allies start using their overabundance of B-17's and eveybody start's screaming for "House Rules".

 
Not all. Some people are happy for things to cut both ways...

ORIGINAL: Gem35
Just don't wear your underpants so tight sometimes guys.[;)]

What - you don't like my squeaky voice?

I think it is gamey.  I've dealt with it in one of my current campaigns.  The Allies don't fly at bases where I have a lot of fighters because of the expected casualties so they attack at night with massed formations and drive me out that way.  Didn't happen in 1942...
 
The doctrine argument holds some validity here.  The USAF was a 'precision daylight bombing tool.'  It REALLY didn't work out that way but that it how it was designed. 
 
Anyone who reads my AARs know that I LOVE to split up the KB early in the war because that is how the Japanese did it.  Has it cost me?  Yes!  Do I still do it?  Yes!
 
My .02

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

I think it is gamey. ... Didn't happen in 1942...

That's the point. There is no such thing as "gamey." If you don't want it to happen in the game, either persuade the devs to change it (and it may or may not happen for AE) or get together with your playing partner and impose house rules.

There are several terms that have emerged on these forums that I refuse to enter into my lexicon. "Gamey" is one of them. "Respawn" is another.

Gawd, how I hate even the sound of "respawn" when applied to a computer wargaming dynamic.

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

I think it is gamey.  I've dealt with it in one of my current campaigns.  The Allies don't fly at bases where I have a lot of fighters because of the expected casualties so they attack at night with massed formations and drive me out that way.  Didn't happen in 1942... And did you as the Japanese use your BB's for "bombardment missions" all over the Pacific? That didn't happen in 1942 either..., only a couple of BC's were ever given the mission.

The doctrine argument holds some validity here.  The USAF was a 'precision daylight bombing tool.'  It REALLY didn't work out that way but that it how it was designed.  And the Japanese "battleline" was the "instrament of decision" to be conserved in home waters for "the Decisive Battle".

Why is it only "gamey" when the Allies use an asset in an ahistoric manner?

ORIGINAL: pasternakski



There are several terms that have emerged on these forums that I refuse to enter into my lexicon. "Gamey" is one of them.

Wait a second now....I've had some pretty gamey meat at times.

I don't know ... tastes like chicken to me ...

Oh no! Don't engage Pasternakski in word games. He thrives off of them like Rejick in Star Trek's "Wolf in the Fold" Episode. Rejick feeds off fear, as P feeds off words. Just take a tranquilizer and disregard for best effect[:D].

I ALWAYS appreciate any form of classical Star Trek reference!

...error...error...faulty...faulty....

Computer, compute to the last digit the value of pi.
working.....

"The best diplomat that I know is a fully-loaded phaser bank." -- Lt. Cdr. Montgomery Scott

"Oh! What will we tell the children!" - James T. "womanizer" Kirk

ORIGINAL: pasternakski

"Oh! What will we tell the children!" - James T. "womanizer" Kirk

Your just jealous of Kirk! he had to pay dearly for those scenes with the babes in rather poor dialogue badly delivered.[:D]

As for it being "gamey"or not. As a Japanese player the Allied us of 4E DEATH(massed bombers at below 10,000ft)at night is pure excrement. The Allied players like to tell themselves the japanese have x,y and z ahistoric advantages so abuse of the 4E Death machine is perfectly legal. My advice find another pbem opponent! Harsh? Perhaps it is harsh,but WiTp is a "LONG" game and supposed to be fun correct? Ask yourself if you are enjoying yourself in 1942? By 1944 it'll be far,far tougher can you handle it?

ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

I think it is gamey.  I've dealt with it in one of my current campaigns.  The Allies don't fly at bases where I have a lot of fighters because of the expected casualties so they attack at night with massed formations and drive me out that way.  Didn't happen in 1942... And did you as the Japanese use your BB's for "bombardment missions" all over the Pacific? That didn't happen in 1942 either..., only a couple of BC's were ever given the mission.

The doctrine argument holds some validity here.  The USAF was a 'precision daylight bombing tool.'  It REALLY didn't work out that way but that it how it was designed.  And the Japanese "battleline" was the "instrament of decision" to be conserved in home waters for "the Decisive Battle".

Why is it only "gamey" when the Allies use an asset in an ahistoric manner?

If the Japanese use 400 Sallies out of Rangoon to do daily night bombing attacks against Mandalay at 6000 ft then I would call it as gamey as if the Allied would do the same with 300 B-17 against Rangoon. Why should "gamey" be something side related? [&:]

"I've been prepared for death ever since I murdered my crew."  Commodore Matt Decker  The Doomsday Machine This writer's favorite episode of Classical Star Trek.
 
I do agree that the game is a two-way street.  As a Japanese player I have very rarely used night bombing because it is so ineffective unless you bomb in large numbers from low altitude.  It is also far mroe effective with 4EB then with 2EB.
 

Thanks for this thread. I'm going to do some in my PBEM game. It's nice having all those LB with a longer range in Empire's Ablaze.

Damian...are you listening??

I'd use profanity but don't want to turn into the "green" goblin ...

Michael, What's a man supposed to do but smile wryly and put his chin out ? ...

Wish you forum member would stop posting good topics and giving him ideas!

ORIGINAL: pasternakski

"Oh! What will we tell the children!" - James T. "womanizer" Kirk

Kirk was a Quaker compared to Captain Pike.

Pike really new how to pimp dee Orion beotches . . .

Nothing like a green-coloured slave girl!
 
Damian--you have my profound apologies since I NEVER want to help Michael out!  [:D][8D][:D]
 
"This unit cannot murder." 

ORIGINAL: Anthropoid


Kirk was a Quaker compared to Captain Pike.

Pike really new how to pimp dee Orion beotches . . .

Captain Archer is no slouch either. Plenty of testosterone. [:D]

Kirk rocks.........its like Prince vs. Michael......Prince won by default because he retained his sanity. Kirk won by default because they beefed up Picard in the latter NG movies so that he acted more "Kirk-ish"

[:D]