RE: Cruiser On The Rocks
Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:11 pm
Indeed it is Amiens 

ORIGINAL: Dixie
I'm not sure how the USN handles this sort of thing, but I believe that in the RN the captain is always responsible for his vessel. This applies with civilian pilots guiding the ship as well. Which is as it should be really, if he's (or she's) in charge of millions of pounds of my tax money I damn well want someone to get in trouble for smashing it up [:D]
\ORIGINAL: bradfordkay
"PS - What is the significance of the name Port Royal for a cruiser name?"
Since the Ticonderoga class cruisers were named for battles in US history, I believe that this ship was named for the Battle of Port Royal Sound in the unfortunate conflict of the 1860s. What is the significance of naming a cruiser after this battle? I'm not sure. In the WW2 era it was carriers that were named for battles.
ORIGINAL: Hornblower
\ORIGINAL: bradfordkay
"PS - What is the significance of the name Port Royal for a cruiser name?"
Since the Ticonderoga class cruisers were named for battles in US history, I believe that this ship was named for the Battle of Port Royal Sound in the unfortunate conflict of the 1860s. What is the significance of naming a cruiser after this battle? I'm not sure. In the WW2 era it was carriers that were named for battles.
Civil war battle 1862..
ORIGINAL: bradfordkay
It seems that some of our Yankee friends are unfamiliar with certain southern euphemisms for the War of Yankee Aggression. [:'(]
Only AFTER the War was this "true"... before the War, it was the South that insisted that the Federal government had the right to enforce its laws in state territory (i.e. - the Fugitive Slave Act.)ORIGINAL: Whipple
ORIGINAL: bradfordkay
It seems that some of our Yankee friends are unfamiliar with certain southern euphemisms for the War of Yankee Aggression. [:'(]
Yes they are. Most think the war was about freeing the slaves. It was really about yankee governmental intrusion into states rights as set forth in the constitution.
Whipple
[:D]ORIGINAL: bradfordkay
I wasn't talking about the cause of the war. I was talking about the way we southerners will rarely use the same name for the war that Yankees do, so when we mention it they don't realize that's what we are talking about!
ORIGINAL: rtrapasso
[:D]ORIGINAL: bradfordkay
I wasn't talking about the cause of the war. I was talking about the way we southerners will rarely use the same name for the war that Yankees do, so when we mention it they don't realize that's what we are talking about!
i think most people recognize the "code name" without too much difficulty...
ORIGINAL: Feinder
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There is no, "I was asleep. The XO had the conn." You're the Captain, you're responsible, period. Ultimately it would be argued that if the XO wasn't a competant navigator, captain shouldn't have put him at the conn.
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ORIGINAL: USS America
Great pictures, Tom!
Oh, and the pictures of the cruiser are good too. [;)]
The US Navy has gone through a dizzying series of name change procedures since 1945.ORIGINAL: bradfordkay
"PS - What is the significance of the name Port Royal for a cruiser name?"
Since the Ticonderoga class cruisers were named for battles in US history, I believe that this ship was named for the Battle of Port Royal Sound in the unfortunate conflict of the 1860s. What is the significance of naming a cruiser after this battle? I'm not sure. In the WW2 era it was carriers that were named for battles.
The US Navy has gone through a dizzying series of name change procedures since 1945.
CV's were named after US battles, or old ships of the USN.The USS Frankin D. Roosevelt changed this. Then presidents, Secretaries of defense and even congressmen had carriers named after them.
Battleships and large monitors (also Armored cruisers) were named after states. With the arrival of the Ohio class, States became names for SSBN's , then SSN's. Conneticut , then Virginia class.
Cruisers traditionally had city names , small cities and towns became gunboat names (also some old USN ships names). After the Long Beach , we stopped building cruisers, and begame building "Large Frigates" (which sounded less agressive. ) Large frigates were named after people...Truxton, Bainbridge, Yarnell and Halsy for examples. (They were DLG's). In the late 1970's they were renamed "cruisers" and the Ticonderoga class aegis cruisers had Carrier names....battles and old ships of the USN.
During this period city names went to LSD's, various landing vessels , LKA's , replenishment ships. In 1976 Hyman Rickover began naming submarines after cities to appeal to congressmen who were on good terms with him (the Los Angles class) . When pressed about the submarines traditionally being named after fish , he's quoted as saying "fish don't vote". He also named four submarines after congressmen. Also battle names were going to amphiibious landing ships like Tarawa, Saipan and Inchon. Today these ships are named Wasp, Essex and the newest one ,America.
Virtually every single naming tradition has been scrapped and rescrapped.The worst example is the three SSN's of the Seawolf class. Seawolf was to be a return to traditional naming. The next boat was named Connetict , the last Jimmy Carter! Confused yet?
In the mid 80's , I was asked to help out a local recruiter at nearby mall on a recruiter day . (He wanted a aviation type present , as we were a naval air station , and he was a surface type). An old timer wearing a USS Leyte cap came up to me. "I hear that they gave the name of my old carrier to a tin-can. Is that true ?' , he asked. "No , actually it's a cruiser " I replied. "Really? I was also on the Portland before the war. Is there a ships named for her?' "Yes , it's LSD", I replied. He looked panic stricken. "I was also on the cruiser Los Angles after the war. What the hell is she now a submarine?!". "I don't know how to tell you this, but yes, she is". "G--D----0 Navy"! he said, walking off and shaking his head.
Sorry about that. I won't do it again. [8|]ORIGINAL: khyberbill
The US Navy has gone through a dizzying series of name change procedures since 1945.
CV's were named after US battles, or old ships of the USN.The USS Frankin D. Roosevelt changed this. Then presidents, Secretaries of defense and even congressmen had carriers named after them.
Battleships and large monitors (also Armored cruisers) were named after states. With the arrival of the Ohio class, States became names for SSBN's , then SSN's. Conneticut , then Virginia class.
Cruisers traditionally had city names , small cities and towns became gunboat names (also some old USN ships names). After the Long Beach , we stopped building cruisers, and begame building "Large Frigates" (which sounded less agressive. ) Large frigates were named after people...Truxton, Bainbridge, Yarnell and Halsy for examples. (They were DLG's). In the late 1970's they were renamed "cruisers" and the Ticonderoga class aegis cruisers had Carrier names....battles and old ships of the USN.
During this period city names went to LSD's, various landing vessels , LKA's , replenishment ships. In 1976 Hyman Rickover began naming submarines after cities to appeal to congressmen who were on good terms with him (the Los Angles class) . When pressed about the submarines traditionally being named after fish , he's quoted as saying "fish don't vote". He also named four submarines after congressmen. Also battle names were going to amphiibious landing ships like Tarawa, Saipan and Inchon. Today these ships are named Wasp, Essex and the newest one ,America.
Virtually every single naming tradition has been scrapped and rescrapped.The worst example is the three SSN's of the Seawolf class. Seawolf was to be a return to traditional naming. The next boat was named Connetict , the last Jimmy Carter! Confused yet?
In the mid 80's , I was asked to help out a local recruiter at nearby mall on a recruiter day . (He wanted a aviation type present , as we were a naval air station , and he was a surface type). An old timer wearing a USS Leyte cap came up to me. "I hear that they gave the name of my old carrier to a tin-can. Is that true ?' , he asked. "No , actually it's a cruiser " I replied. "Really? I was also on the Portland before the war. Is there a ships named for her?' "Yes , it's LSD", I replied. He looked panic stricken. "I was also on the cruiser Los Angles after the war. What the hell is she now a submarine?!". "I don't know how to tell you this, but yes, she is". "G--D----0 Navy"! he said, walking off and shaking his head.
Yes, it is kind of sad. I wont let a Navy person tell me about tradition any more.