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RE: Not May 1st but.............

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:48 pm
by witpqs
ORIGINAL: CV Zuikaku

We'll, that's a very good news, indeed [:D] So, can we expect a manual to be available a few weeks before release of the AE - just to be completely ready when AE become available ?[;)]

Well they keep telling us it will only be ready with the release so they can continue to make it reflect all the changes they make...

RE: Not May 1st but.............

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:56 pm
by CV Zuikaku
ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: CV Zuikaku

We'll, that's a very good news, indeed [:D] So, can we expect a manual to be available a few weeks before release of the AE - just to be completely ready when AE become available ?[;)]

Well they keep telling us it will only be ready with the release so they can continue to make it reflect all the changes they make...

I know, but I have to try! [;)] And I can live with "unrefined" version of the manual! [8|]

RE: Not May 1st but.............

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:00 pm
by undercovergeek
ORIGINAL: Terminus

Disclaimer: This is my opinion only, and not a "company line" of Matrix or anybody else.

I can understand if people are frustrated by this seemingly endless delay. Lots of time I, and the rest of the team, have been as well. We've seen several release deadlines come and go, and every time it's very difficult to muster the energy to go on.

But here's the thing: those release deadlines were pushed back FOR A REASON. Every single time we took a look at the product and had to admit that this was not something that was fit for release.

We're not doing this to be douchebags, but because we're gamers ourselves. We can look at this with both player and developer hats on, and see if it's ready, and there's no almighty publishing house standing behind us, pushing us to release to some arbitrary deadline. Kudos to Matrix for that.

We could have released this a long time ago, but it would have been an incomplete, inferior and quite frankly unworthy game.

My name is on the credits list for this product, and I don't want it to be anything less than something I can be proud of. I remember a quote from a game manual once (IIRC, for Civilization IV) along the lines of "we didn't want to be known as the team who broke Civilization". Well, we don't want to be known as the team who broke WitP.

We've all stuck with this game for nearly five years now, waaaay longer than most games live in this day and age, and we're just about to take a big leap forward. I love what we've done and are continuing to do with AE, and the vast majority of WitP gamers will too.

Rant over.

blah blah blah - get back in your hole - test, test, test, release [;)]


RE: Not May 1st but.............

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:09 pm
by undercovergeek
ORIGINAL: Yank

ORIGINAL: undercovergeek

ORIGINAL: Yank

I've been thinking for some time now they release at Origins like the original WITP, though I certainly hope I'm wrong and it'll be sooner than that. In any event, the news from the Wargamer forums can't be bad news...

indeed - im hoping a more informative answer without the usual stock replies mentioned by old guard will appear at wargamer

hey you - send your turn - its a good one [:'(][;)]

So Undercovergeek is my very own e-mail partner, you learn something new every day!

uh oh rumbled!! and all this time i didnt post questions about how to sink you because i thought you knew it was me...... dammit

RE: Not May 1st but.............

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:10 pm
by GaryChildress
ORIGINAL: Terminus

Disclaimer: This is my opinion only, and not a "company line" of Matrix or anybody else.

I can understand if people are frustrated by this seemingly endless delay. Lots of time I, and the rest of the team, have been as well. We've seen several release deadlines come and go, and every time it's very difficult to muster the energy to go on.

But here's the thing: those release deadlines were pushed back FOR A REASON. Every single time we took a look at the product and had to admit that this was not something that was fit for release.

We're not doing this to be douchebags, but because we're gamers ourselves. We can look at this with both player and developer hats on, and see if it's ready, and there's no almighty publishing house standing behind us, pushing us to release to some arbitrary deadline. Kudos to Matrix for that.

We could have released this a long time ago, but it would have been an incomplete, inferior and quite frankly unworthy game.

My name is on the credits list for this product, and I don't want it to be anything less than something I can be proud of. I remember a quote from a game manual once (IIRC, for Civilization IV) along the lines of "we didn't want to be known as the team who broke Civilization". Well, we don't want to be known as the team who broke WitP.

We've all stuck with this game for nearly five years now, waaaay longer than most games live in this day and age, and we're just about to take a big leap forward. I love what we've done and are continuing to do with AE, and the vast majority of WitP gamers will too.

Rant over.

My hat is off to all of you. I tried my hand as a beta tester for a while and discovered that I just didn't have what it takes to make the cut. I think it says a lot of both Matrix and the AE team that you guys have stuck it out so doggedly and made so much progress in transforming WITP into something even better than the already great game it is. My fingers will be crossed that everything goes well for you guys in the coming months as AE is perfected. [&o][&o][&o]

RE: Not May 1st but.............

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:28 pm
by Grotius
Sounds like the team is getting there. Good news!

RE: Not May 1st but.............

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:29 pm
by Durbik
now that's a real question i think - will the manual be released earlier (even for a few bucks) for us to learn about new stuff - just to jump right into the action after release?

(this was problably adressed, and the answer is probably no, but what the hell!)

RE: Not May 1st but.............

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:34 pm
by Erik Rutins
We don't release manuals separate from our releases, but we will be releasing some pages and sections of the AE manual as a preview once the time is right.

RE: Not May 1st but.............

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:44 pm
by Durbik
thanks!

RE: Not May 1st but.............

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:45 pm
by Ramjet
I would love to see some or all of the manual. I would pay to download that! I really don't care about the cost. WITP has by far been the best value in a game I have ever bought. If I could actually figure out how many hours I have played the game (and I really am afraid of what I would discover), the amount of game time per dollar would make the game seem like the greatest bargain on earth. I have enjoyed this game very much for the past five years and look forward to AE when it is released. I also know there may be problems that arise and will require patches in the future. One must have realistic expectations from a piece of software. Thanks to the team doing this project!

RE: Not May 1st but.............

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:02 pm
by Crimguy
I really don't think anyone is all that upset at the delays. Seriously. Most of the posts I see are very tongue in cheek.

Besides, the real vitriol will come soon after its' release. The history geeks will complain about capabilities, and others will provide an endless list of things that are "broken." We all know from WitP that it takes at least 3 years before anything is officially stamped broken in the game . . . with the possible exception of sub warfare.

With my 2nd child coming on June 27 or so, you have made my day. I will have something to do while I do graveyard shift watching her sleep. Thank you very much for the effort. I think I'll name her Terminita "Yamato Hugger" Schwartzstein. Catchy name.[:D]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Disclaimer: This is my opinion only, and not a "company line" of Matrix or anybody else.

I can understand if people are frustrated by this seemingly endless delay. Lots of time I, and the rest of the team, have been as well. We've seen several release deadlines come and go, and every time it's very difficult to muster the energy to go on.

But here's the thing: those release deadlines were pushed back FOR A REASON. Every single time we took a look at the product and had to admit that this was not something that was fit for release.

We're not doing this to be douchebags, but because we're gamers ourselves. We can look at this with both player and developer hats on, and see if it's ready, and there's no almighty publishing house standing behind us, pushing us to release to some arbitrary deadline. Kudos to Matrix for that.

We could have released this a long time ago, but it would have been an incomplete, inferior and quite frankly unworthy game.

My name is on the credits list for this product, and I don't want it to be anything less than something I can be proud of. I remember a quote from a game manual once (IIRC, for Civilization IV) along the lines of "we didn't want to be known as the team who broke Civilization". Well, we don't want to be known as the team who broke WitP.

We've all stuck with this game for nearly five years now, waaaay longer than most games live in this day and age, and we're just about to take a big leap forward. I love what we've done and are continuing to do with AE, and the vast majority of WitP gamers will too.

Rant over.
[:D][:D]

RE: Not May 1st but.............

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:18 pm
by Yank
ORIGINAL: undercovergeek
ORIGINAL: Yank

ORIGINAL: undercovergeek




indeed - im hoping a more informative answer without the usual stock replies mentioned by old guard will appear at wargamer

hey you - send your turn - its a good one [:'(][;)]

So Undercovergeek is my very own e-mail partner, you learn something new every day!

uh oh rumbled!! and all this time i didnt post questions about how to sink you because i thought you knew it was me...... dammit

My friend, you don't need to ask no stinking questions to sink me, you've done a pretty fair job of that to date [X(] And I think there is a world of hurt about to come down on me at Ceylon...

RE: Not May 1st but.............

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:27 pm
by undercovergeek
[:D] you can blame that on nemo - it was all his idea!!

RE: Not May 1st but.............

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:11 pm
by mbatch729
ORIGINAL: Terminus

Disclaimer: This is my opinion only, and not a "company line" of Matrix or anybody else....

Rant over.

T, that was no rant. Actually a quite civil reply, especially considering the source.

RE: Not May 1st but.............

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:53 pm
by rjopel
Well I know what I'll be buying at Origins this year[&o][&o][&o][&o][:D][:D][:D][:D]

RE: Not May 1st but.............

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:07 am
by rogueusmc
ORIGINAL: Yank

ORIGINAL: undercovergeek

ORIGINAL: Yank

I've been thinking for some time now they release at Origins like the original WITP, though I certainly hope I'm wrong and it'll be sooner than that. In any event, the news from the Wargamer forums can't be bad news...

indeed - im hoping a more informative answer without the usual stock replies mentioned by old guard will appear at wargamer

hey you - send your turn - its a good one [:'(][;)]

So Undercovergeek is my very own e-mail partner, you learn something new every day!
The geek IS undercover...[:D]

RE: Not May 1st but.............

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:24 am
by Erik Rutins
ORIGINAL: rjopel
Well I know what I'll be buying at Origins this year[&o][&o][&o][&o][:D][:D][:D][:D]

We will not be at Origins this year, sorry to say, but we decided to pass on it this time. However, it will be available for sale here on our site as usual.

RE: Not May 1st but.............

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:29 am
by undercovergeek
ORIGINAL: rogueusmc

ORIGINAL: Yank

ORIGINAL: undercovergeek




indeed - im hoping a more informative answer without the usual stock replies mentioned by old guard will appear at wargamer

hey you - send your turn - its a good one [:'(][;)]

So Undercovergeek is my very own e-mail partner, you learn something new every day!
The geek IS undercover...[:D]

lol [8D]

RE: Not May 1st but.............

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:11 am
by PaxMondo
Nice, very nice.  I like good news!  [8D]

RE: Not May 1st but.............

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:22 am
by DuckofTindalos
ORIGINAL: mbatch729

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Disclaimer: This is my opinion only, and not a "company line" of Matrix or anybody else....

Rant over.

T, that was no rant. Actually a quite civil reply, especially considering the source.

Didn't say it wasn't, but it seemed a bit disjointed at the time, which is another characteristic of a rant...