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RE: IJN Shinano
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:00 pm
by DuckofTindalos
Too bad they lacked the industrial capacity to do it. I know they got some, but not even within yelling distance of enough.
RE: IJN Shinano
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:11 pm
by Historiker
ORIGINAL: Terminus
Too bad they lacked the industrial capacity to do it. I know they got some, but not even within yelling distance of enough.
It's sometimes hard for me to understand that a Nation which builds Yamato, Musashi and Shinano as well as the 46cm guns isn't able to build suitable/enough guns and AA.
RE: IJN Shinano
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:25 pm
by DuckofTindalos
The latter was in no small part due to the former.
RE: IJN Shinano
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:25 pm
by kaleun
It's sometimes hard for me to understand that a Nation which builds Yamato, Musashi and Shinano as well as the 46cm guns isn't able to build suitable/enough guns and AA.
Simple: The Yamato, Musashi and Shinano were offensive weapons, in keeping with the Bushido spirit that emphasized aggression, with disdain for defense.
AA guns, just like ASW vessels were defensive weapons, not deemed to be important.[8|]
RE: IJN Shinano
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:27 pm
by Historiker
Well, beaching and scrapping the Shinano might consequently have helped to build some extra guns, right? [;)]
RE: IJN Shinano
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:20 pm
by Nikademus
ORIGINAL: Historiker
ORIGINAL: Terminus
Too bad they lacked the industrial capacity to do it. I know they got some, but not even within yelling distance of enough.
It's sometimes hard for me to understand that a Nation which builds Yamato, Musashi and Shinano as well as the 46cm guns isn't able to build suitable/enough guns and AA.
Its sometimes hard for me to understand how a nation that cherishes Neutrality and staying out of wars above all else designs the best light AA weapon of a world war. [:D]
RE: IJN Shinano
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:29 pm
by Historiker
hehe
To have the ability to stay neutral [;)]
But of course, you know the correct answer: It was a company, not the state oder nation, and it's engineers knew the company will earn money if they work good...
RE: IJN Shinano
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:21 pm
by m10bob
ORIGINAL: Historiker
ORIGINAL: Terminus
Too bad they lacked the industrial capacity to do it. I know they got some, but not even within yelling distance of enough.
It's sometimes hard for me to understand that a Nation which builds Yamato, Musashi and Shinano as well as the 46cm guns isn't able to build suitable/enough guns and AA.
Their army used license built models of another nations LMG and their technology did not produce a good, nor sufficient in numbers SMG.
It was so bad, they tried the next best thing, copied the American M1 and did not have the technology to produce them enmasse, (even with captured M1's on hand to work from!!)
RE: IJN Shinano
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:23 pm
by DuckofTindalos
Their Garand copy was horrible beyond horrible: poorly made and unsafe to use.
RE: IJN Shinano
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:54 pm
by kaleun
That was when "Made in Japan" meant "Shoddily made"
They've come a long way baby![X(]
RE: IJN Shinano
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:35 pm
by John Lansford
By the time Shinano was torpedoed and (theoretically) beached, it was far too late to get any use out of the hulk. They had plenty of scrap steel laying around, but they were nearly out of oil, their factories were being systematically reduced to even more scrap, and their cities burnt to ashes. More useless big chunks of steel laying around weren't going to help them at all by then.
RE: IJN Shinano
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:37 pm
by Historiker
So ebay is obvious the best use for it [;)]
RE: IJN Shinano
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:05 pm
by Shark7
ORIGINAL: Terminus
Their Garand copy was horrible beyond horrible: poorly made and unsafe to use.
So, they were still garraunteed to kill someone...target or user. [:D]
RE: IJN Shinano
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:29 pm
by anarchyintheuk
Didn't the IJA also have a pistol w/ a twitchy safety mechanism that was dangerous to target and user alike?
RE: IJN Shinano
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:33 pm
by Historiker
Sounds a little like our good ol' MP2or also called UZI.
We always saied: "In urban warfare, put her on Frieden (peace = Feuerstoss = burst) and throw her into the window"...