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ORIGINAL: grraven2004

What my first impressions are reading all the reports is it seems that it takes less torps to sink a BB now that in WiTP. Before it took 5-7 hits to kill one. Now i've seen as few as 3 kill a BB. Also seems a single will kill a DD fairly effective. I wonder what will happen once the MK14 dud ratio stops. Already starting to worry about my merchies and I haven't even got the game yet!

I lost PoW in WITP to a single torpedo hit once, so I'm not entirely sure thats the case...

ORIGINAL: Graycompany

this him?

No, he's smaller...[:'(]

ORIGINAL: EUBanana

ORIGINAL: grraven2004

What my first impressions are reading all the reports is it seems that it takes less torps to sink a BB now that in WiTP. Before it took 5-7 hits to kill one. Now i've seen as few as 3 kill a BB. Also seems a single will kill a DD fairly effective. I wonder what will happen once the MK14 dud ratio stops. Already starting to worry about my merchies and I haven't even got the game yet!

I lost PoW in WITP to a single torpedo hit once, so I'm not entirely sure thats the case...

Just ran the first turn, Repulse took three torps and is still with me. PoW was hit with two for 36flt(16 maj). Arizona went down though [:(]

About the only thing I'm wondering about is the frequence of Force Z attacks with Historical 1st turn and surprise on and 1 day turns. Force Z wasn't attacked and sunk until Dec 10th so why is it getting hit on the first turn? Not that I know all the details of their movement in the days leading up to the war, just wondering.

EDIT: I see it has already been asked and answered here: tm.asp?m=2179438

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

Well, Terminus is a brain in a jar, so technically he has no voice. [;)]

No.

Gee I must have had a bad day, trouble d\l game and when fired up game I lost seven of the 8 BB with the severely damaged and 3 CA sunk as well. The POW and the Repulse also badly damaged. gonna take a bit to recover from that!

I didn't sink a thing at PH, either!

Of course, I'm the Allies and Japan had no problem sinking things....

Here is Scenario 2, Hard. Plenty of float damage and fires on the other BBs that lead me to believe I will lose a few more.

Morning Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 160 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 53 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 36
B5N2 Kate x 144
D3A1 Val x 126



Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 5 destroyed, 16 damaged
D3A1 Val: 2 destroyed, 17 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
PBY-5 Catalina: 30 destroyed on ground
P-40B Warhawk: 40 destroyed on ground
B-17E Fortress: 2 destroyed on ground
O-47A: 3 destroyed on ground
SBD-1 Dauntless: 6 destroyed on ground
B-17D Fortress: 9 destroyed on ground
C-33: 1 destroyed on ground
A-20A Havoc: 5 destroyed on ground
B-18A Bolo: 7 destroyed on ground
F4F-3 Wildcat: 3 destroyed on ground
P-36A Mohawk: 12 destroyed on ground
R3D-2: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied Ships
CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB California, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 5, and is sunk
AR Medusa, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
DD Bagley, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Conyngham, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1
AM Tern, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Chew, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Phoenix, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Case, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Ralph Talbot, Bomb hits 1, on fire
ACM Buttress, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AR Vestal, Bomb hits 1
CL Raleigh, Bomb hits 2
CL St. Louis, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage
SS Cachalot, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CL Detroit, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CL Honolulu, Torpedo hits 1
AV Wright, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DMS Trevor, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DM Ramsay, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Dale, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Litchfield, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
DD Farragut, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AVD Hulbert, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Monaghan, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
CM Oglala, Torpedo hits 1
DM Breese, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
DD Shaw, Bomb hits 1, on fire
PT-22, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
DD Blue, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DMS Wasmuth, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
AV Curtiss, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Cummings, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
PG Sacramento, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk


Allied ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)


Airbase hits 34
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 147

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x A6M2 Zero attacking from 100 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
17 x D3A1 Val diving from 10000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
25 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
4 x A6M2 Zero attacking from 100 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
25 x D3A1 Val diving from 10000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
4 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 15000 feet
16 x D3A1 Val diving from 10000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
4 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 15000 feet
8 x D3A1 Val diving from 10000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
25 x D3A1 Val diving from 10000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
25 x D3A1 Val diving from 10000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
9 x D3A1 Val diving from 10000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Oh yeah, forgot the other side of the world. At least PoW came away unscathed.

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Mersing at 52,82

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 160 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 56 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 27



Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 9


Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 24 damaged

Allied aircraft losses

Allied Ships
BC Repulse, Torpedo hits 5, and is sunk
BB Prince of Wales



Aircraft Attacking:
26 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

CAP engaged:
No.243 Sqn RAF with Buffalo I (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead
No.453 Sqn RAF with Buffalo I (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 54 minutes
No.488 Sqn RAF with Buffalo I (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(5 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 55 minutes

I have run the 1st turn surprise about six times (just for grins) and the results do vary. This is fine with me. The randomness is what make it so cool. Anyways, you lose seven BBs on the first day and you are still the Allies and in a very good position to win. They don't really matter too much.

The only reason I lost a BB at PH was I tried to move it to SF with 59 major floation damage... turned out to be a bad choice [:(] Other wise damage was at the other end of the spectrum from whats been reported.

Heh, I watched the USN get clobbered at Pearl. Then I made a noobie mistake. Sent the USS Enterprise back towards Hawaii but the retreating IJN TF spotted the big E and sank her.[&:] That was the 2nd or 3rd turn? That was ridiculous, I'm not going to lose the big E on the second day so I just restarted.[:D]

I sent Enterprise west to rendezvous with Lexington; they're both pounding Wake Island's invaders right now but my Midway search planes have spotted an enemy TF southeast of them and heading west.
 
I'm thinking the KB is trying to cut off my carriers' route back home and I've got to figure out what's the best way to get away from them.  If I send them SE towards Johnston Island and they're headed SW towards Kwajalein our paths will intersect (bad).  If I send my carriers NE and then south back to Hawaii that may be the best route, as long as the contact report was accurate and the KB isn't actually north of Midway and headed back to the home islands.
 
Decisions, decisions; I can see why TF commanders tended to not get a lot of sleep and develop ulcers...

ORIGINAL: John Lansford
I sent Enterprise west to rendezvous with Lexington; they're both pounding Wake Island's invaders right now but my Midway search planes have spotted an enemy TF southeast of them and heading west.

Heh, thats what I did.

I ended up having to sail them right by Kwajalein at full speed to get them out of there, I was more afraid of KB than LBA there in 1941... hitting Wake is tempting but you really are out on a limb there.

I'm thinking the northern route is safer; the enemy TF is SE of Midway by 3 hexes and headed west, about where I'd think the KB ought to be (on Day 2 got airstrikes on Indianapolis from NW of Hawaii).  I've adjusted the search arcs for Midway so should get better results in my next turn.  I figure I've got two days before I have to get the heck away from Wake so we'll see.  I have a mini-TF of two AK's and some escorts with supplies for Wake headed there right now, but depending on what happens in the next week I may need them to divert to Midway instead.