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ORIGINAL: Miller

That is true. I should be able to get the fighter and TB units up to an average exp of 70 across the board in a few weeks, I am pulling a lot of veterans from Betty units and turning them into training groups, they never seem to attack anyway, or if they do they get lost or the escort does not show and they get killed en masse.

The DB units on the other hand are a mess, I think I would need three months just to get them combat capable, and his Essexs will be on the scene by then. He will have to come at me sooner or later, lets hope I'm as ready as I can be when the time comes.

One more thing I was wondering, Miller. With Canoerebel's abortive invasion of Paramushiro and Oniketan Jima sufficient to trigger your Imperial homeguard reserves, does this act ALSO trigger the 'early' Kamikaze rule? Is the distance to the home islands that factors into Kamikaze activation where he *has been* or where he *is* on January 1, 1944? Getting kamikazes on January 1 would be a real help to you.

Does anyone know the best attack to 'train up' Kamikazes? Naval bombing? Naval torpedo?

Save those Betties and other heavier planes for Kamikaze groups if you can. They'll make a real mess of things if they hit. I'm thinking you can send them off on their defense of the Empire and then fill 'em back up with rookies. Train the heck out of them, use 'em again after a couple months of basic training. Lather, rinse and repeat.

It would be interesting to get someone's perspective on their use in AE. Please keep us in mind for an update as your game progresses.

I'd leave kamikaze strikes to fast, nimble single engine fighters like the early Zero (the unarmoured fuel tanks guaranteed a fire if they hit, which on a US CV's wooden flight-deck could be very nasty).
You need Beatty's for other missions,  after all it's your staple medium bomber (OK,  so the IJN referred to it as a strategic/heavy bomber,  but who were they trying to kid?) and are very slow and vulnerable to AA fire and A2A attacks,  even the latter versions

ORIGINAL: xj900uk

I'd leave kamikaze strikes to fast, nimble single engine fighters like the early Zero (the unarmoured fuel tanks guaranteed a fire if they hit, which on a US CV's wooden flight-deck could be very nasty).
You need Beatty's for other missions,  after all it's your staple medium bomber (OK,  so the IJN referred to it as a strategic/heavy bomber,  but who were they trying to kid?) and are very slow and vulnerable to AA fire and A2A attacks,  even the latter versions

Not to argue a point (don't want to appear to be a skeptic, after all), but I thought the damage a kamikaze did upon a successful attack (hit) was directly related to its payload. Hence, planes with higher payloads (e.g., Betties, Nells) caused more damage in the AE model. Is this no longer the case?

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: xj900uk

I'd leave kamikaze strikes to fast, nimble single engine fighters like the early Zero (the unarmoured fuel tanks guaranteed a fire if they hit, which on a US CV's wooden flight-deck could be very nasty).
You need Beatty's for other missions,  after all it's your staple medium bomber (OK,  so the IJN referred to it as a strategic/heavy bomber,  but who were they trying to kid?) and are very slow and vulnerable to AA fire and A2A attacks,  even the latter versions

Not to argue a point (don't want to appear to be a skeptic, after all), but I thought the damage a kamikaze did upon a successful attack (hit) was directly related to its payload. Hence, planes with higher payloads (e.g., Betties, Nells) caused more damage in the AE model. Is this no longer the case?

Exactly my htouhgt. I wasn't aware that onboard fuel was even in the damage calc .... amazing if it is though.

Well, in RL a small nimble fighter was more likely to get through the CAP & AA screens than one of those slow, lumbering lighters...  And I have heard that this is reflected in the game. D unno though if a Beatty or two-engined job does more damage if it succeeds in crashing into its target.
On a related subject,  is the Okha/Baka in the game?  And is it carried by Beatties?

Ohkas are carried by G4M2e Betty and they are in game.

yeah, but they do not seem to work right (at least in Scenario 2)
in case of doubt, check the editor please

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Actually my point regarding kamikaze's was that a small nimble fighter like the Zero stands more chance of getting through the CAP and AA fire & then doing a fair amount of damage with an AVGas fire if it hits a wooden-decked carrier,  than a slow, lumbering fuel-tank like a Nellie which OK I grant you will do more damage if it actually hits, but in practice is hardly likely to.  Also early-model Zero's are ideal for kami attacks and should be in plentiful supply in '44 (assuming your front-line squadrons have updated by now), whilst twin-engined bomber production is slow and difficult for the Japanese so I would have thought it better to husband them for LBA attacks or possibly even supply transport...  (don[t get me started on the lack of Japanese transport aircraft in WWII,  they even had the licence to build the Dakota but hardly seemed to botehr with it!)