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ORIGINAL: Sredni

I wonder if combining low nav and low ground skills would be an option. It seems like pilots for attack bombers are going to take an extremely long time to train up properly with straf plus 2 bomb skills.

I train my normal bomber pilots with Nav B and Ground B to 70 so I can quickly task bombers doing ground missions to naval attacks (level bombing ships isn't super effective... until you send 150 bombers at once after a task force heh), and it takes roughly 6 months to train each pilot to that point. Having to add a 3rd skill for attack bombers would be a major impediment. Especially with the way pilots start to train a lot slower once they pass 50 exp.

Or perhaps they could make attack bombers training low nav or low g also train straf at the same time. That would solve the problem of needing to start your bomber pilots training in fighters heh.

ORIGINAL: TheElf

Here are the answers for all those with panties in a proverbial bunch...Nice catch guys!

Attack bomber functions as:

1. Altitude set <6000, attack altitude is "low level". >6k' they are treated as normal LB at altitude selected.

2. AB flights are split up into pairs (or two pairs against land targets) if low level (doctrinal)

3. Due to the order of combat, the pair bomb target at 100 and then strafe at 100.

4. Strafing by AB adds to flak suppression. Higher SKILL_STRAFE value (70+) increases suppression more.

5. Non-attack Level Bombers bombing at <1000 gain a higher fatigue from the firing Flak.

6. Bombing accuracy for non-attack LB attacking at <6000 with low morale or high disruption is lowered.

7. Bombing accuracy of LB against TF at <7000 is reduced. AB accuracy is increased <6000.

@ Mike Sholl
8. No experience/skill minimum to execute an attack by non-AB planes but the attack impacted as mentioned above.

From My main man Michael...
The main reason things don't seem to working is that the code that control what sort of an attack (strafe, bomb land, bomb TF) had a badly constructed IF statement that end up treating AB at low level as strafe attacks which use a different method of bomb accuracy.
The next code change will make the subtle change, apart from that the existing code reflects the above points.

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: TheElf

Here are the answers for all those with panties in a proverbial bunch...Nice catch guys!

Attack bomber functions as:

1. Altitude set <6000, attack altitude is "low level". >6k' they are treated as normal LB at altitude selected.

2. AB flights are split up into pairs (or two pairs against land targets) if low level (doctrinal)

3. Due to the order of combat, the pair bomb target at 100 and then strafe at 100.

4. Strafing by AB adds to flak suppression. Higher SKILL_STRAFE value (70+) increases suppression more.

5. Non-attack Level Bombers bombing at <1000 gain a higher fatigue from the firing Flak.

6. Bombing accuracy for non-attack LB attacking at <6000 with low morale or high disruption is lowered.

7. Bombing accuracy of LB against TF at <7000 is reduced. AB accuracy is increased <6000.

@ Mike Sholl
8. No experience/skill minimum to execute an attack by non-AB planes but the attack impacted as mentioned above.

From My main man Michael...
The main reason things don't seem to working is that the code that control what sort of an attack (strafe, bomb land, bomb TF) had a badly constructed IF statement that end up treating AB at low level as strafe attacks which use a different method of bomb accuracy.
The next code change will make the subtle change, apart from that the existing code reflects the above points.

Ian,

First, thank you.

Second, there are two items I wonder if you would comment on.

1) Attack Bombers at altitude - it was mentioned by a bunch of people in a thread that no matter what altitude Attack Bombers were set to, they actually went in low. I mean even if set above 6,000 ft (like 10,000). I know Michael did not comment on that aspect of the bug he found. Would you comment - is what he found having that effect (in addition to the others you listed)?

2) Aside from transferring them temporarily to fighters, how can we train bomber pilots in the Strafing skill?

Thanks in advance.

ORIGINAL: TheElf

Here are the answers for all those with panties in a proverbial bunch...Nice catch guys!

Attack bomber functions as:

1. Altitude set <6000, attack altitude is "low level". >6k' they are treated as normal LB at altitude selected.

2. AB flights are split up into pairs (or two pairs against land targets) if low level (doctrinal)

3. Due to the order of combat, the pair bomb target at 100 and then strafe at 100.

4. Strafing by AB adds to flak suppression. Higher SKILL_STRAFE value (70+) increases suppression more.

5. Non-attack Level Bombers bombing at <1000 gain a higher fatigue from the firing Flak.

6. Bombing accuracy for non-attack LB attacking at <6000 with low morale or high disruption is lowered.

7. Bombing accuracy of LB against TF at <7000 is reduced. AB accuracy is increased <6000.

@ Mike Sholl
8. No experience/skill minimum to execute an attack by non-AB planes but the attack impacted as mentioned above.

From My main man Michael...
The main reason things don't seem to working is that the code that control what sort of an attack (strafe, bomb land, bomb TF) had a badly constructed IF statement that end up treating AB at low level as strafe attacks which use a different method of bomb accuracy.
The next code change will make the subtle change, apart from that the existing code reflects the above points.

ORIGINAL: vonTirpitz

+1 Very well stated.

Personally, I was actually glad to see that the developers had found an issue in the attack bomber code and plan to fix it. I would much rather know my opponent has the option to use them when that time comes instead of being "handicapped" by them. It simply adds to the richness of the gaming experience.

IMHO AE is the best game of the genre and the developer support is next to no other in terms of effort. It's a shame not everyone on the forum can accept this notion.

I am grateful that the developers are as involved as they are. I am also grateful for the (mostly) positive forum community that continue to help each other and share their gaming experience.

And yes, I have no problem calling out somebody who seems to not enjoy the game, the support nor the community. There is absolutely no reason for the overall community to be intimidated by such nonsense.

ORIGINAL: ecwgcx

Look, I don't care if you are a AFB or a JFB or whatever. This is important. It's like the bruhaha about land arty or Nuke Bombardments. Some of us are seeing something that took awhile to show up. We are asking the devs to take another peek at it because we feel Attack Bombers are not working as they should. If changes can be made, super. If not, then my next game will get messaged in the editor and I'll be producing B-25C's until 1945. Nothing to get our knickers in a bunch about. Does it take away from my game? Yup. Is it enough to make me stop playing? Not really. I'll come up with a work around, like wave hoppin' B-29's. What I love so much about this game is the flavor and 99% of it tastes great. Peace lovin' rant over.

ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

My name was chosen because of the avitation pioneer Graf Zeppelin and not because of some Axis bias or because of a never completed carrier.
But yes, I prefer to play the Japanese side, I had most of their ships as models in my youth and have a personal attachment to most ships (that said I also realy love the Yorktown class carriers because of the same reasons)

Point is, I want the game to work within reason. Yamato pawning the Iowa is fun. Yamato always pawning the Iowa is not fun and would be completly out of whak. And I realy doubt the so called Jfbs would be happy if the game shows a clear bias to the Japanese side.And accusing the developers to having biases that way is even worse because they obviously tried to make a realy good game here.
Yes, Castor troy is indeed always ranting and complaining but in a constructive way. He points out game flaws but obviously with the intention to improve the experience for him and everyone else and thats good.Infact he acualy puts alot of work into his rants in is persistant too and thats a realy good thing imo.
But staying here and saying Best game evar or this game sucks accomplishes nothing. Saying the developers have bias because they want the Japanese to be better is fruitless also.

So, now please get this attack bomber thingie to work. I saw them jumping a convoy of my Marus and had a near heart attack when 15-20 hits on each where reported. Next day I scratched myhead and thought "uuuhm okay" after checking them and seeing they had around 15 sys damage and not much else.

ORIGINAL: TheElf

Here are the answers for all those with panties in a proverbial bunch...Nice catch guys!

Attack bomber functions as:

1. Altitude set <6000, attack altitude is "low level". >6k' they are treated as normal LB at altitude selected.

2. AB flights are split up into pairs (or two pairs against land targets) if low level (doctrinal)

3. Due to the order of combat, the pair bomb target at 100 and then strafe at 100.

4. Strafing by AB adds to flak suppression. Higher SKILL_STRAFE value (70+) increases suppression more.

5. Non-attack Level Bombers bombing at <1000 gain a higher fatigue from the firing Flak.

6. Bombing accuracy for non-attack LB attacking at <6000 with low morale or high disruption is lowered.

7. Bombing accuracy of LB against TF at <7000 is reduced. AB accuracy is increased <6000.

@ Mike Sholl
8. No experience/skill minimum to execute an attack by non-AB planes but the attack impacted as mentioned above.

From My main man Michael...
The main reason things don't seem to working is that the code that control what sort of an attack (strafe, bomb land, bomb TF) had a badly constructed IF statement that end up treating AB at low level as strafe attacks which use a different method of bomb accuracy.
The next code change will make the subtle change, apart from that the existing code reflects the above points.

ORIGINAL: castor troy
thanks for the info, very much apreciated

ORIGINAL: TheElf

Here are the answers for all those with panties in a proverbial bunch...Nice catch guys!

Attack bomber functions as:

1. Altitude set <6000, attack altitude is "low level". >6k' they are treated as normal LB at altitude selected.

2. AB flights are split up into pairs (or two pairs against land targets) if low level (doctrinal)

3. Due to the order of combat, the pair bomb target at 100 and then strafe at 100.

4. Strafing by AB adds to flak suppression. Higher SKILL_STRAFE value (70+) increases suppression more.

5. Non-attack Level Bombers bombing at <1000 gain a higher fatigue from the firing Flak.

6. Bombing accuracy for non-attack LB attacking at <6000 with low morale or high disruption is lowered.

7. Bombing accuracy of LB against TF at <7000 is reduced. AB accuracy is increased <6000.

@ Mike Sholl
8. No experience/skill minimum to execute an attack by non-AB planes but the attack impacted as mentioned above.

From My main man Michael...
The main reason things don't seem to working is that the code that control what sort of an attack (strafe, bomb land, bomb TF) had a badly constructed IF statement that end up treating AB at low level as strafe attacks which use a different method of bomb accuracy.
The next code change will make the subtle change, apart from that the existing code reflects the above points.

ORIGINAL: TheElf

@ Mike Sholl
8. No experience/skill minimum to execute an attack by non-AB planes but the attack impacted as mentioned above.

From My main man Michael...
The main reason things don't seem to working is that the code that control what sort of an attack (strafe, bomb land, bomb TF) had a badly constructed IF statement that end up treating AB at low level as strafe attacks which use a different method of bomb accuracy.
The next code change will make the subtle change, apart from that the existing code reflects the above points.

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

So, now please get this attack bomber thingie to work. I saw them jumping a convoy of my Marus and had a near heart attack when 15-20 hits on each where reported. Next day I scratched myhead and thought "uuuhm okay" after checking them and seeing they had around 15 sys damage and not much else.

It sounds like those particular hits were .50 cal and maybe a heavy cannon hit thrown in (if the attack bombers were so equipped).