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ORIGINAL: Brady

ORIGINAL: crsutton

Now, can anyone tell me if a Judy could launch from a carrier with a 500kg bomb and 450 gallons of fuel? Might have been difficult but I don't know. That is, is there any proof that both were used in combination at any range? Perhaps from land only?

Ya thats sorta what I was woundering, that and weather or not any SBD's launched with two drop tanks and a 500 pound bomb, at sea.

ORIGINAL: castor troy

That´s exactly what I was thinking about, I was talking about carrier starts. Full bomb load (on the center line) and full drop tanks? From a carrier? Sounds quite some weight for a carrier start.

ORIGINAL: mike scholl 1

ORIGINAL: castor troy

That´s exactly what I was thinking about, I was talking about carrier starts. Full bomb load (on the center line) and full drop tanks? From a carrier? Sounds quite some weight for a carrier start.

Which is exactly the reason the ESSEX class CV's were equipped with catapaults.

ORIGINAL: Lomri


Am I reading this correctly to see that the drop tank aspect, while interesting, isn't the point of the OP?

It looks like some of the research is showing that the Judy's base range (no drop tank) is longer than depicted in the game. Am I missing something?

ORIGINAL: Brady

ORIGINAL: castor troy

what is happening in the game, if drop tanks are selected, does this still mean bombers attack with their full load? [&:] Thought that would be reduced load anyway because how would you take off with drop tanks AND full bomb load? Now that I think about it, I was attacked by Judies at 8 hexes with 500kg bombs, wouldn´t that be extended range for the Judy in the game? And that would mean drop tanks AND full bomb load.

It depends on the type, I should think, For the Judy and the SBD, the drop tanks were carried on the wings, the Primary ordnace was carried on the centerline, the SBD externaly the Judy Internaly, so the Type could still cary drop tanks and their Bombs.

Referances above show from the TAIC report the Judy could carry both as could the SBD, but I thought they pulled the Drop tanks in game from the Judy?

A plane like the Early P-40 could not carry a drop tank and a bomb as both had to use the centerline rack, you could carry one or the other not both, as an example.

With regard to the 500kg/1000 pound bombs Both the SBD and the Judy could filed, as you can see from the SBD's chart above the larger bomb was carried to almost the same range as the 500 pounder the diferances were in the clmib rates used and the power settings mostly.

So since the game seams to of slighted the Judy some with regard to range, 8 hexes would seam reasionable given the ranges should be 10 to 12 hexes, without a drop tank.

ORIGINAL: Brady
With drop tanks:

Judy-

With 435 US gal ( 275 internal, 160 external ) and 550 lb bomb at 1500 ft

2580 st miles at 155 mph

2280 st miles at 191 mph Aprox. 18 hexs
 

ORIGINAL: Brady

In order to acheave the range shown above in game for this machine case # 4 (from the SBD-5 table on page one of this thread) has to be realised in game, that is Drop tanks full fuel load and a 500 pound bomb, the Power loading wing loading and take off run are all maxed out, in fact the take off run is imposable unless optimal condations are met on the flight deck in terms of length, basicaly no other planes on deck but the SBD's and max wind is coming over the bow.

ORIGINAL: anarchyintheuk

You can either attempt to achieve all of those preconditions or you can use a catapult. The USN chose the catapult . . . I think even the 6 pack had flush deck versions although the early plane weights being what they were the catapults probably weren't used much. The Essex (except for the lead ship) were all completed w/ catapults.

ORIGINAL: witpqs

Brady,

If I understood correctly the sources they have used differ from the ones you are using? If I did get that right, you'll have to convince them that your source(s) is(are) better on this plane.