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RE: Holding Rangoon ?

Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:56 am
by Misconduct
I noticed as a Japanese player, its far wiser to take Townville (based on fact nearby bases produce over 200 resources) and Northern Oz (Wellington produces quite a bit of light industry)
So far I have linked these two via Noumea for supply and resources.

Rangoon can supply itself, but I really have a tough time trying to supply Mandalay, not sure why when its on a rail link but can anyone answer?

RE: Holding Rangoon ?

Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:04 am
by fcharton
ORIGINAL: CV2
Actually running away to India or Oz to fight another day fits the bill better than having the troops destroyed [;)]

It fits a different bill.

As the Allies, if you defend Palembang (or other places in 1942), you consider that it is worth having troops destroyed, so long they take a lot of enemies with them, deny early access to needed resources (like oil), and delay or derail japanese expansion plans. The strategic reasoning behind this is that, in the long run, you'll replace lost troops and equipment better and faster than Japan, and that anything lost early in the game takes a while to be replaced anyway, thus reducing Japanese strength during the most important moments of the war (late 42 and early 43). The psychological background is that Japan, in the early game, tends to be proud of its strength, might get dragged into an inefficient slugfest, and will be quite shattered if resistance proves successful.

Evacuation strategies follow a different logic. Just like you say, the idea is not to delay or resist, but run...

This said. Be aware that the first goal of a japanese player in the early game is to guess what strategy the allies will follow. If you know they are evacuating, then your early game goal is to sink as many of the troop transports as you can. You have the resources for that, they can't do it very fast (because AP do not all start in the right places, because they tend to be slow, and because you don't have all the PP to do it at once). If you manage that, you get the best of both worlds : they get destroyed, and they don't fight...

But again, unless you think total evacuation is the only option for the allies (despite many AAR proving the contrary), we are comparing different things here.

Francois





RE: Holding Rangoon ?

Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:19 pm
by CV2
ORIGINAL: Misconduct

I noticed as a Japanese player, its far wiser to take Townville (based on fact nearby bases produce over 200 resources) and Northern Oz (Wellington produces quite a bit of light industry)
So far I have linked these two via Noumea for supply and resources.

Rangoon can supply itself, but I really have a tough time trying to supply Mandalay, not sure why when its on a rail link but can anyone answer?

You dont need resources from anyplace other than Korea. Shipping them from Oz or Kiwi is a waste of oil, unless the ships are heading there anyways and if so, it is a waste of time to load them. The only "resources" on the map worth taking is oil and even at that, you dont need a lot more than what you get from Korea there also. At least to drive your industry. If you move a lot of ships around then you will need fuel for that but at least you wont have to send it back to Japan first.

RE: Holding Rangoon ?

Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:05 pm
by n01487477
ORIGINAL: CV2

ORIGINAL: Misconduct

I noticed as a Japanese player, its far wiser to take Townville (based on fact nearby bases produce over 200 resources) and Northern Oz (Wellington produces quite a bit of light industry)
So far I have linked these two via Noumea for supply and resources.

Rangoon can supply itself, but I really have a tough time trying to supply Mandalay, not sure why when its on a rail link but can anyone answer?
You dont need resources from anyplace other than Korea.
Well if you mean post patch then you may be sort of correct in the aspect of resource pooling. But given Japan has a shortfall of 79K/day res and korea has a surplus of 4.6k, Manchuria 15.9K, china 4.4k per day then your statement is misleading. Japanese players must import from Hokkaido and Sakhalin to just about break even. At the outbreak Japan loses -2500 resources globally (a trifle I know) ... but given your sweeping statement ...
Shipping them from Oz or Kiwi is a waste of oil, unless the ships are heading there anyways and if so, it is a waste of time to load them.
A waste of fuel I think you mean and the rest of the sentence is illogical.
The only "resources" on the map worth taking is oil and even at that, you dont need a lot more than what you get from Korea there also. At least to drive your industry.
Actually Oil is of a secondary concern to fuel. In AE HI uses fuel not oil. There have been threads looking at both - and I would put it to you that while Oil is going to be a problem later - actually it's fuel you're transporting. Yes you capture oil - cause it has a refinery (ala Palembang)

Hmmm ... Korea has 5 Oil ctrs - produces 50 Oil a day... that's enough for 5 supply points and 45 fuel (if refined) and thereby with sufficient resources enough fuel to run 22 HI (round down) producing 44 HI points & another 44 supplies --- that'll buy you about 1 single engine fighter. And before you argue Manchuria has enough ... it has about 38 days of surplus to run the Oil refineries of Japan at the onset of hostilities.
If you move a lot of ships around then you will need fuel for that but at least you wont have to send it back to Japan first.
I think you need to review the new economy ...



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