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ORIGINAL: diablo1
Thing is you're not a moderator and you have no right to tell me I can't have an opinon here. I am comparing this game to X3 and I have that right. You are beyond your rights acting like a moderator. But, keep it up you are just hanging yourself.

I'm well within my rights to ask you to stop doing something, I never claimed to be a moderator and I never told you that you couldn't do something. I simply requested that you start actually contributing rather than going "LOL this game has lots of problems. X3 is perfect!"

That sort of post doesn't help the forum or contribute to the discussion, it is simply fanboyism leaking out all over the forum. If you want to make a post comparing the game to X3, feel free to make your own thread and do so but please don't shove your game in our face in every thread, especially when it isn't even relevant to the topic.

Why would you want to remove a Strategic resource?

Pretty much takes a huge chunk out of the Economy as well.

Yeah, I've seen posts about people running low on fuel at certain locations, but there are fixes for this.


One pretty effective solution I use is when I redesign all my ships, I put the Military sector on Hydrogen power and the Private sector on Caslon.
If you put everything on Hydrogen (because it's more efficient), then you end up with Caslon stockpiling all over clogging things up from not being used. Not to mention you'll have a bunch of Caslon mines working for nothing.

Two fuel sources means more fuel and more work for the Private sector, which results in more Private sector ships being built.

Keeps your Economy humming [:D]

ORIGINAL: Spacecadet
Keeps your Economy humming [:D]

Good idea, I'll have to try that. I noticed the large caslon buildup when I switched to the more efficient fusion reactors but wasn't sure what to do about it.

Find it hard to see now after all the patches how anyone can have fuel problems, its as easy as:

1. Designs all ships with more than just a single fuel tank (if its deep space exploration you want lots otherwise 2-3 is plenty)
2. When colonizing a new planet have a quick look in the system to see if theres a gas giant for the fuel type you want and plob down a mining station.
3. Ensure you have plenty of docking bays in your space ports so ships don't sit wasting fuel in a docking queue just to refuel.
4. Let the frieghters do the rest for you.

So really if someone can't spend 5 mins making a sensible design, then another 5 mins checking for a gas giant in system the problem no longer lies in the game mechanics with fuel but rather short sighted playing. As someone already stated this is meant to be a space STRATEGY game not an xbox pew pew.

ORIGINAL: cmdrnarrain

Your too lazy to load your own troops, but apparently you just love filling up each and every ship so it will go where it is suppose to and do what you want it to do.

Haha, the man has a point I love the concept of limited fuel, but I agree that somehow it should be made a bit more intuitive.

ORIGINAL: diablo1

Outside of jumpdrives, Energy cells are only apart of the X3 production economy and are no more automatic then DW without mods

Really? Then why are all those transports I raid in the game carrying energy cells around? Energy cells are very important for just about everything in the game and they are "automatically" moved around by the AI as well as my own automated traders and I don't have to have any mod to do that with. If you had Terran you would know that but obviously you don't. The game also automatically delivers energy cells to ALL the UNIVERSAL TRADERS for jumping around the universe.

Last response to point out, I have played all the X games, and have been on the Egosoft forums for over 7 years
I was apart of the beta testing and a member of the DevNet

So for energy cells
Energy cells are on everything because the game has been designed to have energy cell gaps inside the economy just to give the player (you) a gap to plug and an easy trade route
But again, they are mostly for FACTORY production, sure, your UTs will use them up... but nowhere near enough to ever cause a shortage
(you can run an entire trader fleet (x5) off a fully stocked solar plant for jumpdrives)


Look, I know the pros and cons of X as well as the next person, and it isn't as fantastic a game as you bring across
I have no idea how long you've played the game, but you sound like me when I first played X2, amazed by the shear magnitude of the thing... but after the initial amazement, I started seeing the limitations and repetitiveness and got bored... though it didn't stop me from enjoying X3R & X3TC, but then I got bored with those games after a couple of months of playing

But just to finish off... why the hell do we give a damn about X on the DW forum? That's like bitching that X isn't as good as Halo...
All spacey and sci-fi, but they are all different genres looking to appease different crowds using different ideas and targets, all with their own problems and issues and each with their own good parts, but in noway comparable to each other
Though, while we're at it, which do we think is the better Pear? Apples or Oranges? [8|]

Back to the topic (I'm now ignoring any non-DW chat that is not within context of a thread)

ORIGINAL: Spacecadet

One pretty effective solution I use is when I redesign all my ships, I put the Military sector on Hydrogen power and the Private sector on Caslon.
If you put everything on Hydrogen (because it's more efficient), then you end up with Caslon stockpiling all over clogging things up from not being used. Not to mention you'll have a bunch of Caslon mines working for nothing.

Two fuel sources means more fuel and more work for the Private sector, which results in more Private sector ships being built.

Keeps your Economy humming [:D

You know, I was thinking about doing something like this earlier
Though my reasoning for keeping Privates on Caslon, is that you'll still have caslon reactors floating around near the end due to them not being destroyed or upgraded, though Military you can force onto Hydrogen

Does this work out well for you?

would be nice to have military only docking bays too, so there are now more traffic jams from freighters,
and I'd really like to have military supply bases that act as headquarters for my fleets. ideally I can build them in strategically important places (even deep space) and the get supplied with fuel and troops from the private sector. [8D]

ORIGINAL: cmdrnarrain

[font=arial]My agrument is that the current fuel system is annoying, very very annoying.  If you fail to see the logic in it there is nothing I can do to help.[/font]
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[font=arial]This game has hundreds of world, but I reduced to mircomanaging the fuel of every ship in my fleet so that they can be counted on do what they are suppose to do when I want them to do it.[/font]
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[font=arial]I fail to see the difference between adding a refueling ship to every fleet as opposed to supply bubbles.  Except that maybe I wouldn't have to worry about my fleet's destoryers running out of fuel before my crusiers because if they were in supply they would all have fuel.  Or is the solution an all capital ship fleet with exactly the same fuel amounts....er wait isn't that the way it currently works? [/font]
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[font=arial]Reduce the fuel ranges... sound just like supply bubbles to me, but again I wouldn't have to worry if they have fuel or not because if they were in the bubble they would automatically.     [/font]
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[font=arial]Your too lazy to load your own troops, but apparently you just love filling up each and every ship so it will go where it is suppose to and do what you want it to do. [/font]

Wow, I'm detecting some hostility here.

I am not seeing the annoyance in this system at all. The ships under automation take care of themselves, I can refuel a fleet with a single click of a button, and it just takes a little forward thinking on my part to ensure that it all works.

Just a few things to help with fuel.

• Build gas mining stations
• Build 'refueling stations' in between long distance spaceports. (these are simply gas mining stations or star bases with a gas miner and lots of cargo).
• Put a few extra fuel tanks on your ships.

As a compromise, Elliot could code it so that with a game setting you can turn fuel ranges on or off. I personally like the fuel and want to keep it as is.

ORIGINAL: Spacecadet

Why would you want to remove a Strategic resource?

Pretty much takes a huge chunk out of the Economy as well.

Yeah, I've seen posts about people running low on fuel at certain locations, but there are fixes for this.


One pretty effective solution I use is when I redesign all my ships, I put the Military sector on Hydrogen power and the Private sector on Caslon.
If you put everything on Hydrogen (because it's more efficient), then you end up with Caslon stockpiling all over clogging things up from not being used. Not to mention you'll have a bunch of Caslon mines working for nothing.

Two fuel sources means more fuel and more work for the Private sector, which results in more Private sector ships being built.

Keeps your Economy humming [:D]

That is a very good idea. I think I need to do that. [:D]

ORIGINAL: hal9000

would be nice to have military only docking bays too, so there are now more traffic jams from freighters,
and I'd really like to have military supply bases that act as headquarters for my fleets. ideally I can build them in strategically important places (even deep space) and the get supplied with fuel and troops from the private sector. [8D]

Nice fleet HQ, or Field HQs =)

We are getting into Shark7's territory now, the grognard system. lol

ORIGINAL: lordxorn

ORIGINAL: hal9000

would be nice to have military only docking bays too, so there are now more traffic jams from freighters,
and I'd really like to have military supply bases that act as headquarters for my fleets. ideally I can build them in strategically important places (even deep space) and the get supplied with fuel and troops from the private sector. [8D]

Nice fleet HQ, or Field HQs =)

We are getting into Shark7's territory now, the grognard system. lol

Grognard = an old complaining soldier...also someone who enjoys playing wargames...

Well I certainly have the complaining part down to a fine science. [:D]

so entering the grognard system would be a good thingy? [:D]

ORIGINAL: hal9000

so entering the grognard system would be a good thingy? [:D]

If you like to complain its grand. [;)]

ORIGINAL: BigWolf

ORIGINAL: Spacecadet

One pretty effective solution I use is when I redesign all my ships, I put the Military sector on Hydrogen power and the Private sector on Caslon.
If you put everything on Hydrogen (because it's more efficient), then you end up with Caslon stockpiling all over clogging things up from not being used. Not to mention you'll have a bunch of Caslon mines working for nothing.

Two fuel sources means more fuel and more work for the Private sector, which results in more Private sector ships being built.

Keeps your Economy humming [:D

You know, I was thinking about doing something like this earlier
Though my reasoning for keeping Privates on Caslon, is that you'll still have caslon reactors floating around near the end due to them not being destroyed or upgraded, though Military you can force onto Hydrogen

Does this work out well for you?

Works like a champ for me.

The Caslon based Reactors have more than enough ummph to power all the Private ships - Freighters, Passenger ships, and Miners.

You could probably put them on Mines too.

Even with this, I generally still have quite a bit of Calson on hand, but at least it's being used productively and my Military isn't fighting over the Hydrogen [;)]

ORIGINAL: BigWolf

Personally I like the DW method, as it promotes building strategic fuel stations/planets and using actual strategy for warfare

Agreed. A space game without a fuel requirement would be like a wargame without a supply requirement.

I agree.

I love the fact that DW has lots of different resources and that fuel can actually be a factor that requires attention.

It should be made as an option for those who dont like fuel ranges,  go to the options and click.  For me,  i like it as it is.

Also in my fleets plus i id them with a tag in the design,  for normal range and long range for ships to go deep in to enemy territory or deep space.

Plus if im going to send a fleet in to deep space,  i place an "outpost" a base in a planet and with 4 warships,  also i add some armament to the base too,  so i have a secured spot so my fleet wont have to travel far for fuel.  Sure it costs but it pays for itself.

My only issue with fuel is that the stupid freighters don't pick it up from stations and drop it at colony.  Maybe this was fixed in RotS?

Fuel is important part of strategy in DW. It's fine as it is. No changes needed.

ORIGINAL: Lord_Astraios

It should be made as an option for those who dont like fuel ranges,  go to the options and click.  For me,  i like it as it is.

Also in my fleets plus i id them with a tag in the design,  for normal range and long range for ships to go deep in to enemy territory or deep space.

Plus if im going to send a fleet in to deep space,  i place an "outpost" a base in a planet and with 4 warships,  also i add some armament to the base too,  so i have a secured spot so my fleet wont have to travel far for fuel.  Sure it costs but it pays for itself.

That is essentially what I do with a 'Fleet Depot'. Basically its a resupply base, built in a gas cloud or on a gas giant. It has cargo, gas miner, LR sensor, and construction bay (for repair), and is heavily shielded/armed to the teeth. Generally I put 24 shields, 20 lasers, and some torpedoes etc. As a general rule, they can take care of themselves, or at the very least do some damage before going down. When relations start to sour with an AI race I find a good place for it and build it.