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Originally posted by Goblin
Wasp, this is where we part on our opinions. Edit other people's writing? Whoa. If I print something, thats my right, and no one should come along and edit it. Period.

With freedom of expression come responsibility.

File names? Those are for the purpose of shortening something. If someone wants to be that sensitive, they shouldn't be there in the first place. Goodness, where is the line? Where do you stop worrying about offending people? This game offends ALOT of people. Its too violent. It promotes hate. Etc. Ban it?

So maybe it was an example of carelessness. Maybe it was an example of a latent attitude? Maybe it was intentional? Maybe it was the aliens with the oribital mind-control lasers? Maybe, just maybe, having had it pointed out, they can simply note it for the future?

How can you, or anyone else be offended by a word that wasn't intended to hurt, but play a game that represents Japanese and Americans and others killing eachother in horrible ways?

I think you're missing what I take to be the point he is trying to make.

If I were to start using the term 'septic' for Americans or 'Yid' instead of Yiddish in speech or in a game (about language wars, say ) I'm fairly sure that it would not only raise a storm of protest but that lawsuits would follow in short order. But what if it *was* just a simple abbreviation to use when writing programme? Well, I'd call it a learning experience and make a note not to do it again.

That some people would *defend* the *continued* use of a term once it's been pointed out as insulting to most of those it labels would be very telling of a person's character, IMO...



tohoku
YMMV

Originally posted by Wasp
Good day to you all and thank you for taking your time to read my message. And please refrain from using derogatory terms. Do your part to stop hatred and discrimination. Thank you

Wasp [/B]

Wasp,

I'm not trying to change the subject but a very good friend of mine, who is Japanese and whose father served in the American Army while his family waited out the war in a Mojave Desert internment camp, uses the word but it means Jewish American Princess. I don't think it is used in a derogatory manner , I think it is supposed to be a compliment. I know that when the word is used here it refers to the Japanese people but wonder what the Japanese American soldiers who served in the famous 100th Bat./ 442nd RCT called the enemy soldiers from the Empire of Japan. The soldiers of the100th Bat./ 442nd RCT considered themselves Americans and the Empire of Japan had attacked their country which caused them and their families a great deal of emotional pain and physical suffering.

The word has more than one meaning and you may be much more sensitive than others. Of the many ethnic groups represented in these forums some from former enemy countries you are the first person that I can think of who complained about the reference to a common term from the war.

Svar

PS I don't mean any disrespect but I think you are too sensitive.

SEPTIC

So how do you guys feel about that?

Originally posted by Raverdave
SEPTIC

So how do you guys feel about that?

I always thought it bordered on a term of endearment.


Hmm............... I wonder how a company of JAPs (Jewish American Princesses) would fare in the game. Any chance to add them to the OOB? They'd be great code talkers if nothing else

"it is an 'Art of Wargaming' thread, which is the lowest thing I can think of saying."

I visit the AoW forum and I am very deeply offended by this statement.



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Originally posted by Wasp
I would like to say that I have really enjoyed the generosity of Matrix games. Well, that said, I have a concern I would like to share with everyone. Reading some of these posts, I have noticed some of us use the word "Jap" freely in these forums like it is just another word. I am quite concerned. The word "Jap" is a word of hate and I feel that too many people use it too freely. This is a word of hate and discrimination and I believe firmly that it is time for the word to GO!

Jap? What is wrong with that word? It is short for Japanese...

Can I not call a Scottish person a "Scot"?

Can I not call a British person a Brit?

I guess Polish people aren't Poles...

Lighten up...

So I kindly ask all of you to refrain from using ANY derogatory terms that are designed to degrade any race of people.

The Japanese are not a race onto themselves...

You know when people see some of these forums and see the word what would people think?

In this case they would think they are refering to a Japenese person.

It seems to me that knowingly or not, the word is sending a message of hate.

It seems to me that the word is refering to Japanese people.

It is not what the civilized world does.

OMG...

Have we not got over the tragedies of hate and discrimination? As many of you understand, discrimination and hate has caused nothing but harm and hurt for all those involved. Look at Hitler as a good example. Look at what hate did to Germany. Sure, some of you may use derogatory terms just because you do not like a certain group of people, or just because you allow your emotions to control your thoughts, not your conscious mind.

I use the word when refering to people who are Japanese. I do not use it in a derogatory manner at all.

All I am saying is THE NEXT GENERATION OF PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE TO BE CONTAMINATED BY HATE AND MESSAGES OF HATE. IS IT NOT TIME TO PUT AN END OF HATRED TOWARDS OUR FELLOW MAN? HAVE WE NOT LEARNED FROM OUR PAST MISTAKES WHAT HATE DOES TO THE HUMAN RACE? IT SIMPLY SETS US APART FROM ONE ANOTHER. SO PLEASE, FOR EVERYONE AND FOR THE NEXT GENERATION OF PEOPLE, PLEASE STOP THE SPEREAD OF HATE! THIS IS ONE STEP, BUT A HUGE STEP TO STOPPING THE SPEREAD OF HATE. SO FOR ALL OF YOU THAT HAVE USED OR USE DEROGATORY TERMS OF ANY KIND THAT ARE DESIGNED TO HURT OTHERS, PLEASE PUT AN END TO IT. WE DO NOT NEED ANOTHER CENTURY OF HATE.

Good day to you all and thank you for taking your time to read my message. And please refrain from using derogatory terms. Do your part to stop hatred and discrimination. Thank you

Wasp

I think you need to relax a little bit, you ar taking this way over the edge.

-V (the opinions expressed here are soley those of Vincent Prochelo and should not be considered the opinions of anyone or anything else.)

Originally posted by Goblin
I am not going to post again on this thread. This was a civil discussion of a valid point of view, and now it is an 'Art of Wargaming' thread, which is the lowest thing I can think of saying.

Why, because people have different view points and express them? Free speech and the exercise of it… you have to love that!

"Without free speech no search for truth is possible... no discovery of truth is useful.... Better a thousandfold abuse of free speech than denial of free speech. The abuse dies in a day, but the denial slays the life of the people, and entombs the hope of the race."
-- Charles Bradlaugh

shoot the transgressors.....

the only thing deserving of intolerance is intolerance.......

of course gaijin is a term of endearment dear man....

Originally posted by Goblin

I am not going to post again on this thread. This was a civil discussion of a valid point of view, and now it is an 'Art of Wargaming' thread, which is the lowest thing I can think of saying.

How uncivilised

This thread has been assimlated by the 'Art of Wargaming' forum.Please flame each other.

Thank You

The 'Art of Wargaming' Borg

Today, July 3, 2002 - a date which will live in infamy - All members of the Art of Wargaming BBS were suddenly and deliberately attacked by certain individuals who frequent the Pac War BBS.

The AoW BBS was at peace with that BBS and, at the solicitation of said BBS, was still in conversation with their members looking toward the maintenance of peace in all Matrix forums..

Indeed, one hour after PacWar squadrons had commenced bombing, the PacWar ambassador delivered to the Secretary of State a formal reply to a recent message. While this reply stated that it seemed useless to continue the existing diplomatic negotiations, it contained no threat or hint of war or armed attack.

PacWar BBS has, therefore, undertaken a surprise offensive extending throughout the Matrix area. The facts of today speak for themselves. The people of the AoW BBS have already formed their opinions and well understand the implications to the very life and safety of our BBS.

As a regular member of the AoW BBS, I have requested that all measures be taken for our defense.

Always will we remember the character of the onslaught against us.

No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the AoW ppl, in their righteous might, will win through to absolute victory.

I believe I interpret the will of AoW posters when I assert that we will not only defend ourselves to the uttermost, but will make very certain that this form of treachery shall never endanger us again.

Hostilities exist. There is no blinking at the fact that that our people, our territory and our BBS are in grave danger.

With confidence in our childish flamers - with the unbounding determination of our lurkers - we will gain the inevitable triumph.

I ask that the AoW BBS admin declare that since the unprovoked and dastardly attack by PacWar on Tuesday July 3, 2002, a state of war exists between the Pacwar and the Aow forums.

:p :p :p :p :p :p

Originally posted by Culiacan Mexico


Why, because people have different view points and express them? Free speech and the exercise of it… you have to love that!

"Without free speech no search for truth is possible... no discovery of truth is useful.... Better a thousandfold abuse of free speech than denial of free speech. The abuse dies in a day, but the denial slays the life of the people, and entombs the hope of the race."
-- Charles Bradlaugh

I agree!

No need to playa hate...

Hi

My God! What are you guys doing here!? Be gone with you!;)
Who told you about this post? Must find him!:D
Dan

Originally posted by U2
Hi

My God! What are you guys doing here!? Be gone with you!;)
Who told you about this post? Must find him!:D
Dan

Hum, just look at this AOW thread

showthread.php?s=&threadid=22431

Originally posted by Spooky


Hum, just look at this AOW thread

showthread.php?s=&threadid=22431

Hi Spooky

Thanks for the info. BTW I send you a PM.
Dan

Originally posted by U2
Hi

My God! What are you guys doing here!? Be gone with you!;)
Who told you about this post? Must find him!:D
Dan

Words are power and one must be careful in their use. Speaking the name of the dark place might bring forth those foul demons.

Originally posted by Culiacan Mexico
Words are power and one must be careful in their use. Speaking the name of the dark place might bring forth those foul demons.

LOL.... beer

"Words are power and one must be careful in their use. Speaking the name of the dark place might bring forth those foul demons. "

heh

diet coke

I think all AoW regulars found here should be placed in "relocation" camps where they will be very comfortable until hostilities end;)

Originally posted by Mojo
I think all AoW regulars found here should be placed in "relocation" camps where they will be very comfortable until hostilities end;)

I am hardly "regular"....