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The Germans are winning the war of attrition against the russians. German fighter planes are completely dominant. Even green German ground troops hold out 10 ro 20 to 1 against the Russians. Dug in veterans are simply invinceable.

Same thing in the west front...I believe this could be related to air stacks....not sure. Try reperated attacks with smaller formations.

Jan/1940

The war arrived at South America, as Venezuelan troops with the support of Germany planes captured Georgetown. Heavy equipment was rushed to Paramaribo and Kingston in order to prepare a counterattack. In Europe, the RN is being commited to dangerous shore bombardment missions in order to break the current stalemate. The RAF didn´t fly any offensive missions, as the air units are being upgraded to the new Fighter VI. There are news of adverse developments for our Soviet allies, althought we are not sure on what is happeneing, it seems the frontlines in Russian front moved a few hexes to east. Italy is still neutral, very strange....

would like too see some screen shots of this since it sounds very interesting......

The Russians are trying to build and stabilize, once in a while take some small offensive action. The German aircraft, even though of similar tech levels are so dominant that even training flights away from the front are intercepted and suffer losses. As Bombur pointed out, 10, 20 to 1 they hold their own.

The front runs from just East of Konigsburg in the North down in a somewhat linear fashion to the Black Sea, around Odessa. A Russian expedition into lower Rumania was beaten back. Some units in Russia are locked in place because they cannot reach any other city within thier move radius.

The production model is very good, it took a while to pick up on it, there is research and PP's as well as steel, engines, pilots, hulls, specialists, manpower and oil. The ability to develop is split into two resources, PP's and research points. Research points are gained by holding cities, I believe. Anyway it's quite a balancing act.

I've noticed that Stavka seems to accumulate enourmous supply, since so many Russian cities can do nothing else but make supply.

Interesting but the combat model seems to lead to just grinding each other to dust, no finesse or maneuver.

Jeffrey is right, the combat model needs a rework. It will be fixed next version. Tanks will be much more powerful against infantry, it will allow for mobile war. Battleships also will be much more vulnerable to aircraft (currently they can bombard enemy shores with impunity). On the other hand, we will abolish both the pre requisites (except manpower) and the ability of colonial cities to produce sophisticated equipment, like aircraft and tanks. The tech tree was also refined and night bombers/fighters and now invulnerable to daylight fighters. More units were created (now we have 10 levels of fighters from 1938 to 1950, with high and low fighters in some categories).

And now the war:

The West German border: the stalemate persists. The new RAF level VI fighters inflicted some losses to the the Luftwaffe. Overall losses were now 16:4
The Balkan Front: German torpedo bombers attacked the French fleet in the Adriatic sea, sinking two heavy cruisers. On the other hand, the RN exterminated more two German divisions. The British bridgehead in Istanbul stabilized, but it seems it isn´t helping the Russians
The Venezuelan Front: British submarines blockaded the Maracaibo port and one fighter VI was lost to our submarine based flak. Reinforcements are being rushed to Jamaica

I think with the scale of the map, it generaly doesn't really allow for much room to manuver, especialy in Europe...if you had real mobile warfare there, a campaign would be over in the space of 1 or 2 turns...possibly historicaly accurate but not particularly satisfying for the player.

One minor note...I would suggest some feedback mechanism for the US player on his rolls and odds when playing the "break isolationism" card. I've consistantly playing it for some 20 odd turns...I'm assuming it's working properly and I just haven't gotten lucky yet with it.... but it'd be nice to be able to get some feedback from the card to see what your actual odds are when playing it..and what you rolled.... that way the player could also tell if the mechanism was working as expected.

I will check the event to see what is happening.

ORIGINAL: GrumpyMel

I think with the scale of the map, it generaly doesn't really allow for much room to manuver, especialy in Europe...if you had real mobile warfare there, a campaign would be over in the space of 1 or 2 turns...possibly historicaly accurate but not particularly satisfying for the player.

One minor note...I would suggest some feedback mechanism for the US player on his rolls and odds when playing the "break isolationism" card. I've consistantly playing it for some 20 odd turns...I'm assuming it's working properly and I just haven't gotten lucky yet with it.... but it'd be nice to be able to get some feedback from the card to see what your actual odds are when playing it..and what you rolled.... that way the player could also tell if the mechanism was working as expected.

I did test it quite alot, so i believe it is working, but you are of course right, some sort of feedback and way to see what the odds are would be nice. I will put it on the todo list.

like the screenshot. enjoy reading these very much, so thanks

Sigh, another turns worth of losses for the Russians:

ORIGINAL: Jeffrey H.

Sigh, another turns worth of losses for the Russians:

Ouch! I gather those losses are a bit high. Kills v losses very bad ratio. Plus your production is not covering your losses. How did you manage to loses so many against so few? Attacking or defending?

How long can you hang on with such losses?

Have had a week holiday so catching up with all the forums I regularly visit.


Mat

ORIGINAL: british exil

ORIGINAL: Jeffrey H.

Sigh, another turns worth of losses for the Russians:

Ouch! I gather those losses are a bit high. Kills v losses very bad ratio. Plus your production is not covering your losses. How did you manage to loses so many against so few? Attacking or defending?

How long can you hang on with such losses?

Have had a week holiday so catching up with all the forums I regularly visit.


Mat

That was just defending ! I think it was mainly just being pounded by artillery, which I cannot do anyhting about because of absolute air superioirity of the German air force. Anyway, I can make up some of the losses in grunts because my manpower is extremely high, but as you can see I can't make up losses in everything.

That's not even showing the ratios for attacking, which are much worse.

The scale is always something I think that needs to be determined for there to be any balance achieved. If 1 rifle is 1,000 men, then 10 rifles is basically a division. The stacking limit should reflect that, as well as production cost. The germans only ever fielded about 3.5 million men against the soviets at a given time. Thats 3,500 rifles. (less really, since many men werent combat troops) If germany is fielding 4500 rifles and still producing historical amounts of tanks and artillery (as well as teh much vaunted arm chair general kriegsmarine that always recieves undo attention lol) then prolly something should be adjusted.

The same if germany is losing and replacing 500 rifles every turn. Losing 500,000 men in a month would have been disaster for the wermacht at any stage of the war.

Of course the idea is to do unhistorical things to secure the men and machines you need to win. Since if it followed history, like say the old War in the East, it needs much more complicated victory conditions.

To be honest conquering the world is much more fun than recreating history, so it doesnt really matter. But I also would LOVE to know the scale applied to the map, resources, and units.

Looking at his production in that screenshot, then looking at the losses, that appears to be pretty catostrophic losses. He could lower fighter and medium tank production and pump out the 80 replacement riflemen,  but it does appear he is being pretty heavily squeezed. Though if this is early war, are the soviets going to be getting events to help them hold leningrad, stalino, and moscow coming up soon? The soviets should take about 3 million losses by first winter, 20,000 tanks, 50,000 artillery, and of course lose almost all of white russia, and still be sitting pretty.

In this game one infantry SFT is about 200 men, one vehicle SFT is about 20 vehicles, one aircraft SFT is 20 planes (will be 10 in the next version), one ship is one ship, so Jeffrey losses are not that catasthrophic, however, he is losing much more infanty than he is replacing, maybe he could scale doen the production of pre requisites. In the West Front we are doing much better, we are destroying more land units than losing, but German losses are about 15-20 infantry each turn. Almost all losses are infantry.....

Hrmm well lets see, if I remember my War in the East right, Germany has no trouble with 20,000 casualties a week. Thats 100 rifles a turn. Throughout 1941 and 1942. By mid 1943, that manpower is starting to dwindle if those kind of losses keep up. The soviets should be able to lose 60-70,000 a week and have plenty of manpower all the way through the end of the war. So thats 200-300 rifles a turn that should be able to be lost, and not really hurt the soviet union. Infact, during 1941, the soviets should be able to sustain 300-400 rifles lost a turn, and still increase the total size of the soviet army. Up to around 4.2 million by 1942. I think it would require alot of events to get right.

In that regard, 80 rifles lost by the soviets is chump change.  Its not even 20,000 men. If I ever opened my turn as the soviets in WITE, and noticed i only had 20k casualties in the first year or so of the game, id be sending free bottles of Vodka to every citizen west of the Urals out of my personal stock. Id also be asking for the German players timely surrender, since he has no chance to inflicting enough damage to the Stavka to win in 1943 on.

And lets see if 200 men a rifle...there should be in 1938...17,500 rifle IIs in the soviet unions army.  13,500 rifle IIIs in the Wehrmact. Approximately. Up to 20,500 rifle IIs for the soviets by 1941, and around 17,500 for the wehrmacht.

150 Tanks is all one needs for the entire Panzer corps however in 1941.

Loading up the scenario, germany starts with 580 rifle Is.

Tis a far cry from 13,500. So perhaps the scale or production needs to be adjusted.

I think Russia can make around 150 infantry per turn without too much stretching,however production has to be balanced with other priorities and many Russian cities only make supply.

Supply was a bigger bottleneck for the soviets than manpower. The opposite should be true, many cities east of moscow should produce only rifleman, while white and western russia and a few key central cities, produce the supply. I would think hordes of riflemen sitting around on 0% supply would be more realistic and challenging. Capturing enough cities quickly would hurt the soviet economy, while if the soviets hold off the germans, more supply can be built and stock piled.