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ORIGINAL: composer99

They're referring to the Spanish Morocco aligned minor.

ORIGINAL: composer99

Otherwise, I agree with BallyJ:

- get the Royal Navy out of the Med asap
- if you can keep a couple of elite (white-print) units in Malta while also reinforcing Gibraltar I recommend it; otherwise stuff Gib to the gills (feel free to risk the TRS to bring units from Malta to Gib - you are building extras, right?) and put an HQ and artillery in the adjacent hex in Spanish Morocco
- fight to keep sea supply to Gib open

If US has passed war appropriations entry into the war is looking pretty good.

Once the US is in, it will be a whole lot easier to fight back into the Med if the Allies control Gib than if they don't.

ORIGINAL: Red Prince

ORIGINAL: composer99

Otherwise, I agree with BallyJ:

- get the Royal Navy out of the Med asap
- if you can keep a couple of elite (white-print) units in Malta while also reinforcing Gibraltar I recommend it; otherwise stuff Gib to the gills (feel free to risk the TRS to bring units from Malta to Gib - you are building extras, right?) and put an HQ and artillery in the adjacent hex in Spanish Morocco
- fight to keep sea supply to Gib open

If US has passed war appropriations entry into the war is looking pretty good.

Once the US is in, it will be a whole lot easier to fight back into the Med if the Allies control Gib than if they don't.

I laid down 3 TRS at the end of last turn for the CW, but what I lack right now is land units. Most of my selections have ended up being Indian units, which puts them on the wrong side of Africa to be very useful. It got bad enough that the previous turn I built a dinky CAV just to be sure I would have reinforcements coming into the UK. The CW also has 4 units trapped (isolated) in the Middle-East with no way to get them out.

I can get 2 units from Malta to Gibraltar, plus the HQ to Morocco, I think. But it's going to take 2 impulses to get it done (one naval, one combined or naval). That leaves a division in Malta, and very little in the UK. Fortunately for the CW, Germany isn't in position to take advantage of the lack of troops in the UK.

I'm going to play this impulse in an hour or so, and I'll try to get this done. I'll let you know how it turns out.
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Edit: I just reviewed my notes, and the CW laid down an AMPH in addition to the 3 TRS last turn.

ORIGINAL: michaelbaldur

ORIGINAL: Red Prince

ORIGINAL: composer99

Otherwise, I agree with BallyJ:

- get the Royal Navy out of the Med asap
- if you can keep a couple of elite (white-print) units in Malta while also reinforcing Gibraltar I recommend it; otherwise stuff Gib to the gills (feel free to risk the TRS to bring units from Malta to Gib - you are building extras, right?) and put an HQ and artillery in the adjacent hex in Spanish Morocco
- fight to keep sea supply to Gib open

If US has passed war appropriations entry into the war is looking pretty good.

Once the US is in, it will be a whole lot easier to fight back into the Med if the Allies control Gib than if they don't.

I laid down 3 TRS at the end of last turn for the CW, but what I lack right now is land units. Most of my selections have ended up being Indian units, which puts them on the wrong side of Africa to be very useful. It got bad enough that the previous turn I built a dinky CAV just to be sure I would have reinforcements coming into the UK. The CW also has 4 units trapped (isolated) in the Middle-East with no way to get them out.

I can get 2 units from Malta to Gibraltar, plus the HQ to Morocco, I think. But it's going to take 2 impulses to get it done (one naval, one combined or naval). That leaves a division in Malta, and very little in the UK. Fortunately for the CW, Germany isn't in position to take advantage of the lack of troops in the UK.

I'm going to play this impulse in an hour or so, and I'll try to get this done. I'll let you know how it turns out.
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Edit: I just reviewed my notes, and the CW laid down an AMPH in addition to the 3 TRS last turn.

that is simply why you are loosing .. if you can lay down 4 naval units. your building to many naval units.

I usually use the 50-45-5 formula. 50% land units, 45% air units and 5 % naval units ..

or in gearing. 2-3 land, 3-4 air, 1 naval ...

CW have the biggest fleet in the world at the start of the game .. and can easily hold back Germany/Italy alone ..

so you should only build convoys and replacement transports/ amph

ORIGINAL: Red Prince

ORIGINAL: michaelbaldur

ORIGINAL: Red Prince


I laid down 3 TRS at the end of last turn for the CW, but what I lack right now is land units. Most of my selections have ended up being Indian units, which puts them on the wrong side of Africa to be very useful. It got bad enough that the previous turn I built a dinky CAV just to be sure I would have reinforcements coming into the UK. The CW also has 4 units trapped (isolated) in the Middle-East with no way to get them out.

I can get 2 units from Malta to Gibraltar, plus the HQ to Morocco, I think. But it's going to take 2 impulses to get it done (one naval, one combined or naval). That leaves a division in Malta, and very little in the UK. Fortunately for the CW, Germany isn't in position to take advantage of the lack of troops in the UK.

I'm going to play this impulse in an hour or so, and I'll try to get this done. I'll let you know how it turns out.
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Edit: I just reviewed my notes, and the CW laid down an AMPH in addition to the 3 TRS last turn.

that is simply why you are loosing .. if you can lay down 4 naval units. your building to many naval units.

I usually use the 50-45-5 formula. 50% land units, 45% air units and 5 % naval units ..

or in gearing. 2-3 land, 3-4 air, 1 naval ...

CW have the biggest fleet in the world at the start of the game .. and can easily hold back Germany/Italy alone ..

so you should only build convoys and replacement transports/ amph

Here's what I built during the first year for the CW:

S/O '39
CW (12): 2 x CV(1st), 1 x CVL(1st), 2 x CVP-0, 1 x CVP-1, 2 x CV(2nd), 1 x Pilot

N/D '39
CW (12): 1 x MIL, 2 x BB(1st), 1 x CP, 1 x CVP-0, 1 x CVP-1, 1 x FTR-2, 1 x Pilot

J/F '40
CW (18): 1 x MIL, 1 x HQ-I, 2 x BB(1st), 2 x CA(Repair), 2 x CVP-1, 1 x NAV-3, 2 x Pilot

M/A '40
CW (18): 1 x GARR, 1 x MOT, 2 x ASW Escort(1st), 1 x FTR-3, 1 x CV(2nd), 2 x BB(2nd), 2 x Pilot

M/J '40
CW (18): 1 x CAV, 1 x PARA, 1 x TERR, 2 x CVP-1, 1 x CVL (Repair), 3 x CL (2nd), 2 x Pilot

J/A '40
CW (19): 2 x INF, 1 x AMPH(1st), 3 x TRS(1st), 2 x CVP-1, 1 x Pilot

Total Builds:
(Land/Naval/Air/Pilot)
-/5/3/1
1/3/3/1
2/4/3/2
2/5/1/2
3/4/2/2
2/4/2/1
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10 Land, 30 Naval, 14 Air, 9 Pilots

My big mistake was not building a Land unit on the first turn, I guess. With limited Build Points, though, I liked the idea of getting my navy started for later domination. Naval units are very cheap compared to land units, so I thought I'd get more bang for my buck that way.

I don't really think this was a complete mistake (just a large one). I reinforced Egypt quite heavily, but managed to get a total of 6 units isolated in the Middle East. That severely limited what I could do, and with about half of my land reinforcements coming into India, there just wasn't anybody left to reinforce elsewhere.

Here's a look at the current Force Pools for the Commonwelath:

It is land units that the COmmonwealth needs: to hold the Med (Malta, Suez, and Gibraltar), as the BEF supporting France, and defending the United Kingdom against the threat of a German invasion. If there are a lot of land units in the UK early in the war, the Axis is discouraged from building sea lift units - and the threat of Sea Lion goes by the board.

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

I would've evacuated Malta as long as I had a reasonable chance of not losing the TRSs, especially the Div if you don't have one handy for Gibraltar. If Suez and Gibraltar are gone, the fleet there is useless and the defenders are just unhappily sitting in a PoW camp of their own making. Malta is not even an objective hex.

If Spain is going down anyway, do you have a unit you can rail to Tangier? Er Rif can be the new Spanish home country. Other Spaniards might even be able to move there or to Gibraltar (with CW units moving into Er RiF for now). Spain is lucky to be one of the few countries that can evacuate units out of its home country to an alternate home country without needing sea lift.

ORIGINAL: Red Prince

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

I would've evacuated Malta as long as I had a reasonable chance of not losing the TRSs, especially the Div if you don't have one handy for Gibraltar. If Suez and Gibraltar are gone, the fleet there is useless and the defenders are just unhappily sitting in a PoW camp of their own making. Malta is not even an objective hex.

If Spain is going down anyway, do you have a unit you can rail to Tangier? Er Rif can be the new Spanish home country. Other Spaniards might even be able to move there or to Gibraltar (with CW units moving into Er RiF for now). Spain is lucky to be one of the few countries that can evacuate units out of its home country to an alternate home country without needing sea lift.

Actually, the only unit in Gibraltar right now is a division, so the one from Malta is not needed.

At the moment, I don't have the ability to rail Spanish units out. Bilbao in the north is the only thing keeping Spain from being conquered, and the Germans have managed to take Madrid over the course of 2 turns.

Having never before tried an attack on Spain, I didn't know how to set up the units, so I used one of Peter's AIO setups (the one for a strong force on the North Border, with minimal invasion threat):


However, "strong" probably wasn't the right word to use for what I brought down to the Spanish border for Germany. Overwhelming is more like it. I think I have 15-20 German units in Spain right now. They broke through near Barcelona, and got to Madrid in J/A '40.

ORIGINAL: Ronster

If Gibraltar falls it will be a long road back for the Allies. Are you going for a 42 Barbaroosa?

ORIGINAL: composer99

I'm not sure about evacuating Malta if you've been able to extract other troops from elsewhere (unless there are no white-print units there).

The Axis either has to work at taking it, requiring impulse calls & troops, or they risk heavy losses if they do throw-away invasions, or they leave it, in which case it can be invaluable once the Allies are back in the Med.

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

ORIGINAL: Red Prince

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

I would've evacuated Malta as long as I had a reasonable chance of not losing the TRSs, especially the Div if you don't have one handy for Gibraltar. If Suez and Gibraltar are gone, the fleet there is useless and the defenders are just unhappily sitting in a PoW camp of their own making. Malta is not even an objective hex.

If Spain is going down anyway, do you have a unit you can rail to Tangier? Er Rif can be the new Spanish home country. Other Spaniards might even be able to move there or to Gibraltar (with CW units moving into Er RiF for now). Spain is lucky to be one of the few countries that can evacuate units out of its home country to an alternate home country without needing sea lift.

Actually, the only unit in Gibraltar right now is a division, so the one from Malta is not needed.

At the moment, I don't have the ability to rail Spanish units out. Bilbao in the north is the only thing keeping Spain from being conquered, and the Germans have managed to take Madrid over the course of 2 turns.

Having never before tried an attack on Spain, I didn't know how to set up the units, so I used one of Peter's AIO setups (the one for a strong force on the North Border, with minimal invasion threat):


However, "strong" probably wasn't the right word to use for what I brought down to the Spanish border for Germany. Overwhelming is more like it. I think I have 15-20 German units in Spain right now. They broke through near Barcelona, and got to Madrid in J/A '40.

What does the German border with the USSR look like? With so many units in Spain can the USSR break the pact and DOW Germany?