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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

I have come around, and I for one am now in favor of removing the rule. The Red Army has too easy a time of it after '41.

The next version will be interesting; I was worried about the Germans with the reduced forts, but I think they have a late-war chance now for sure, if the 1-1 rule is gone, as well as the other changes. In fact, I think some lesser Soviet players are going to start hitting brick walls and get frustrated.

Oh my, I DID touch a soft spot, hm?

ORIGINAL: Helpless
It was a joke while waiting the compiler making an new exe.. with no 1:1

ORIGINAL: Bletchley_Geek

ORIGINAL: Helpless
It was a joke while waiting the compiler making an new exe.. with no 1:1

Now that's radical. That will spice up my 1941 GC, since we've just reached January 1942 [:)]

I don't want to distract you, but sven6345789 question just made me wonder about the extra shots defending Axis unit get. If 1:1 -> 2:1 is out, I understand this is also out, right?

ORIGINAL: Helpless

I don't want to distract you, but sven6345789 question just made me wonder about the extra shots defending Axis unit get. If 1:1 -> 2:1 is out, I understand this is also out, right?

Correct. Lowered morale/experience (should) have much higher effect, not to speak about other criterias.

For example "soviet doctrine" was lowering "range modifier" 50-70%, and hasty attack makes it x15 higher. The lower it is the more chances your element have to shoot.

ORIGINAL: Helpless
It is not completely decided in what form all this will be (changed) gone.

Aha! That certainly explains those hasty assaults were Germans have 100 "damaged" men and the Soviets several thousand "dead".

Now I didn't get it I understood that the "extra shots by defending Axis" thing is implemented by several different mechanisms like the "range modifier" rigging. So there might still be some mechanisms introduced to "balance out" 1:1 -> 2:1 in effect in 1.05? Or did you mean that "it can be reverted at any time during 1.05 testing"?

ORIGINAL: Joel Billings

First off, let me set the record straight. Pavel (Helpless) has never supported the Soviet Doctrine rule. I think Gary added it in when Pavel was busy with other things and Pavel never focused on it before release. Once it came up after release, he was always in favor of removing the rule. However, he acknowledged it had play balance implications and couldn't be removed without some thought and additional work on other parts of the game. Gary is the one that continues to feel that there were doctrinal differences that could justify a rule, but Pavel has argued that morale/experience/leader skill and OB accounts for doctrinal differences. Gary has conceded that the public dislike of the rule justified altering it, although without Pavel's arguments there's a greater chance it would have remained unchanged. We have come to a tentative agreement to remove the rule sometime after the first winter, and I expect the change will be in the game before the 1.05 goes public. It will have an impact, but the exact impact is as of yet unknown. Be careful for what you wish for.

ORIGINAL: Helpless

Now I didn't get it I understood that the "extra shots by defending Axis" thing is implemented by several different mechanisms like the "range modifier" rigging. So there might still be some mechanisms introduced to "balance out" 1:1 -> 2:1 in effect in 1.05? Or did you mean that "it can be reverted at any time during 1.05 testing"?

The only thing I can tell - it won't be in the way it is done right now.

ORIGINAL: Tarhunnas

Yeah, never mind that the whole shape of the war from 1942 on is completely out of whack in the game. If we can just get the 505 Hvy Pz Bn and the Me 109 F4 engine number and the 656th Heavy Panzerjaeger Bn fixed we can all sleep soundly again. [;)]

ORIGINAL: marty_01
is anything in the works for 1.05 and the Soviet Clickfest Airbase Attack "tactic". Something to rein in the in-game Red air hordes we are seeing appear in late 1941 to early 1941?

ORIGINAL: gradenko_2000

ORIGINAL: marty_01
is anything in the works for 1.05 and the Soviet Clickfest Airbase Attack "tactic". Something to rein in the in-game Red air hordes we are seeing appear in late 1941 to early 1941?

The big change for that is:
3) New Rule - Air recon will not increase an enemy air base’s detection level above 5.

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Will the new detailed combat report make it in time for 1.05? Couldn´t find anything on it in the changelog?

ORIGINAL: marty_01

Not to change the subject about the 1:1 & 2:1 controversy, but is anything in the works for 1.05 and the Soviet Clickfest Airbase Attack "tactic". Something to rein in the in-game Red air hordes we are seeing appear in late 1941 to early 1941?

I've seen folks talking about invoking house rule, but I personally hate going outside the framework of the game with house rules. I prefer just to play the game and let the game define for me what it's rules are.

Thanks.

ORIGINAL: Farfarer

ORIGINAL: gradenko_2000

ORIGINAL: marty_01
is anything in the works for 1.05 and the Soviet Clickfest Airbase Attack "tactic". Something to rein in the in-game Red air hordes we are seeing appear in late 1941 to early 1941?

The big change for that is:
3) New Rule - Air recon will not increase an enemy air base’s detection level above 5.

What about Turn 1 ? Will soviet air bases be set to Level 10 for this turn only? Currently one recons them up to 10 top get max bombing damage.