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Posted: **Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:00 pm**

ORIGINAL: Brad Hunter
They may have had Osttruppen attached/assigned, but, Hiwis were not officially sanctioned. In the NARA docs, a clear distinction is made between the Kriegsgliederung for units serving in the East and West - units in the West were not officially authorized Hiwi. Did some units bring their Hiwi with them, when they were sent to the West for refit? Maybe. I've not found any definitive documentation on this, but I do know that most units in the West were authorized Osttruppen - mostly company-sized units, with some battalions, and a few regiment-sized units - and these units were armed - and surrendered en-masse at the first opportunity after the Allies landed.

The Iststärke of Heeresgruppe D dated 24 July 1944 is somewhat illuminating on this subject. Incidentally, Hiwis in this report seem to merge into Osttruppen figures in others. Someone may not have got the memo one suspects.

Posted: **Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:05 pm**

The Baltic states units are as seperate as Bulgaria etc. If you have Bulgarian squads you can have Estonian . BTW some of these units became Divisions...

Cav.

Posted: **Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:40 pm**

The way it is organized gives me a headache. If it was a simple listing of the OOB of Blue, I could study it in more detail. I never played OCS so that listing looks like a jumbled word search in a massive wall of text. Brad is correct in that kampfgruppes are not separate units in the OOB since they almost always belonged to larger organizations that are in-game. I wouldn't mind taking a look at that list if someone could make it more readable.

Trey

ORIGINAL: glvaca

ORIGINAL: el hefe

I can't wrap my head around this list.

Trey

Pardon? [X(]

What is it you have trouble with?

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