What's your Strategy?
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ORIGINAL: Nemo121
This isn't an attack on any people in particular but, rather, a pointing out that people need to accept personal responsibility. If you've seen unreasonable attacks and haven't stepped in to stop them then you are, partially, responsible. I've heard from many people who decry some of the behaviour on here but say they won't say so publicly because they don't want to get attacked themselves. I respect their choice but, by the same token, because they don't stand up it makes it more likely those attacks continue and the forum degenerates until only those who are "approved of" are allowed to have a voice.
ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
ORIGINAL: SuluSea
Sorry to hear of this regarding Bullwinkle, I enjoyed his posts and he always seemed ready to lend advice to someone having issues or a newbie.
> Could not agree more, Moose has generously helped me on more than one occasion.
I hope time heals wounds and he'll be back soon and congratulations on the wedding , shipmate!
> Ditto, the congratulations, Moose! There is nothing like having a good woman in one's life, and you have a keeper!
Well, now that I've been outed by my good, upside-down friend, Alfred, how can I refuse to ack a wedding wish? [:)]
I've never had a thread about lil' ole me. Sniff. [:'(]
What Alfred relates is largely correct. I don't believe I've posted since an unpleasant interchange over HR theory in which I was stiff-armed on the "you only play the AI" plank. I've read a good bit--less than I used to--but I've played more in the time saved. (Also gotten into more resource-demanding games since I've gotten the Super-PC named Gus in the house. "Fallout: New Vegas" fully-modded is a lot of fun with all the bells on.)
> Moose, this is very good news. My awesome wife bought me a new computer last October; Fallout: New Vegas was the 2nd game installed - right after AE (of course!). I will most definitely, if I may, PM and seek your counsel and advice when ready to play.
I've also had some long, interesting interchanges with Alfred. Any here who don't carefully consider his advice would be unwise. I've yet to find a topic where his learning is not both deeper and wider than my own, including the administration of Millard Fillmore!! (I couldn't even name the CURRENT Aussie PM until helped by him.)
> With my usual B.S. meter turned off: The above is absolutely true. While there are a number of posters whose threads I will usually save to disk, Alfred is on the "must save" list for this forum. In particular I value and appreciate his (to me) very exact, detailed and step by step explanation of whatever aspect of AE he is commenting on - from fortifications to air search; but, particularly his numerous posts regarding pilot management - in all of it's many interconnected aspects. It has taken me multiple readings, however I finally feel I have at least a good grasp of the basics. I am in your debt, Sir.
If I may wax philosophical for a moment, I see the forum changing, and, if I may say so, balkanizing as the game enters its mid-life. The second (third?) large wave of newbies is meeting advice fatigue, and, if I may further suggest, failing in large part to read the manual or resources available here before asking for help. Players are increasingly splitting into their camps, not only PBEM/AI, but the various Babes groups, the heavy modders, Threadsters, the exclusive AAR writers and/or readers, the beta testers, and so on. I've seen this happen in other forums over time; it's natural. But a lot of the early, free-wheeling topicitis is over, and a lot of that was what I loved. We've beateen the big toipics to death: ASW, CAP, CD gunnery, supply movement, flak, stacking. This is not to say that these oldie goldies aren't still discussed, but unfortunately often when they are the fangs come out. The forum is a lot meaner than it used to be. My personal green-button list is nearing a dozen. A lot of old-timers have gone or gone quiet, and others have, as I said, balkanized into lodges.
> While I love the detail and depth of the historical aspect of Babes, and have played several other mods, my appreciation for the whole range of AE variants has grown. My line of thought is that each mod or varient has it's appeal, and that I will make a concious decision to enjoy whatever varient that I am lead to play. If I can learn to manage my air units with scarce Aviation Support (Babes), then, when playing a stock or another mod where Aviation Support is more generous, I will be able to do more, and enjoy it. This appreciation and line of thought has taken time to mature. I appreciate your above thoughts, perspective and comments Moose, I shall strive to keep an open mind - and maintain my respect for other opinions and views.
One thing which I think could help (but I don't have a solution for) is if more, or almost any, games could get to 1944. I've been playing late-war in my Scen 2 game for several months, and am in 1/45 as Allies. I've tried the Downfall scenario, and it's nice, but very different than a late game you've engineered and enter with whatever forces you've managed to maintain, where-is, as-is. It's really a different game than the first two years, massively "picky and clicky" as the housekeeping is overwhelminmg, but it's also a lot of fun for an Allied player to finally have everything he needs to attack on many fronts at once. I have four or five major sieges going, and am hopping across over a dozen islands every week. I have B-29s at the two bases on Sakhalin Island and am experimenting with large-scale strat bombing for the first time. To that though I also early-activated the kami code, and multi-engine kamis by the, literally, thousands have been whacking at everything that moves for a year. The carnage has been brutal. I wish some mainline AARs could get to this era. Reading, and re-reading, playing and re-playing, the same old first-year moves is another reason I pulled back. I know the AI scripts aren't written, but I wish some good PBEM players--or a lot of them [;)]--would start Nik's May 1942 scenario on 2-day turns. I'd read that one.
So, anyway, I'm alive. Happily married. Still playing. Still reading, most days, at least for a few minutes. I'm touched that folks miss me; I never thought I had that much to offer outside of some submarine knowledge and general "been there" on the USN, which is not uncommon around these parts. I would urge the regulars who value this forum's health, however, to examine their participation, choose battles carefully, tone down the venom, gently guide newbies while encouraging self-study, and get some games to the later phases when the fur really flies.
> Moose, am so pleased that you are alive and well, and posting again. The forum is not the same without you..<grin>
Oh, Rocky sez "hi". Whatsamatta U. plays Bemidji State Normal School for Girls on Saturday. Bring your raccoon coat and ukulele. [8D]
Fixed that for you. [;)]ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy
One thing I have to say though is that the standard of English here is pretty high and you guys have sent me running to my dictionary more than once. I say this forum is better behaved than before, not worse.
ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy
Ive been here for over six years now. I dabble in WiTP but never really became a big time player. I stay here and read these forums because this and the Lord of the Rings Online(my main game) are the two best articulate forums I've run across.
Some folks here say the conduct has gotten worst and I have to disagree. Ever since Japan and that Mark guy left things actually seem better. Things get ugly in the general discussion forum when a new movie comes out and someone says they like it. They tend to get jumped on like there is no tomorrow.
One thing I have to say though is that the standard of English here is pretty high and you guys have sent me running to my dictionary more than once. I say this forum is better behaved than before, not worst.
Well, I better mosey on to the Storm over the Pacific forum. After several months of playing, I finally invaded Japan, took all the cities and the game freezes on next turn. Doomtrader must be sick of me by now. [8|]
ORIGINAL: Shark7
Well to be honest, can you really expect to get a bunch of alpha personalities together and not have the occasional heated disagreement? [:D]
ORIGINAL: thegreatwent
It is also easier to be rude when there is little chance you'll get punched in the face[:)]
ORIGINAL: SuluSea
This forum and the members are a great place to congregate and talk history or our favorite game. Are there cliques? Sure, but I wouldn't say they are formed with mean spirited intentions, more like a group of people that have gotten to know each other over the course of many years and feel comfortable with each other. Cliques can be found hanging out in 'the thread', certain AARs, building mods together or a whole list of others, none of them are formed to gang up on other members or squash opinions. This is a great time to be a fan of wargames and the Pacific War, relax and enjoy.
Again this is a great forum and it's better than it's ever been.
ORIGINAL: Shark7
ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy
Ive been here for over six years now. I dabble in WiTP but never really became a big time player. I stay here and read these forums because this and the Lord of the Rings Online(my main game) are the two best articulate forums I've run across.
Some folks here say the conduct has gotten worst and I have to disagree. Ever since Japan and that Mark guy left things actually seem better. Things get ugly in the general discussion forum when a new movie comes out and someone says they like it. They tend to get jumped on like there is no tomorrow.
One thing I have to say though is that the standard of English here is pretty high and you guys have sent me running to my dictionary more than once. I say this forum is better behaved than before, not worst.
Well, I better mosey on to the Storm over the Pacific forum. After several months of playing, I finally invaded Japan, took all the cities and the game freezes on next turn. Doomtrader must be sick of me by now. [8|]
Well to be honest, can you really expect to get a bunch of alpha personalities together and not have the occasional heated disagreement? [:D]
ORIGINAL: Wirraway_Ace
ORIGINAL: Nemo121
This isn't an attack on any people in particular but, rather, a pointing out that people need to accept personal responsibility. If you've seen unreasonable attacks and haven't stepped in to stop them then you are, partially, responsible. I've heard from many people who decry some of the behaviour on here but say they won't say so publicly because they don't want to get attacked themselves. I respect their choice but, by the same token, because they don't stand up it makes it more likely those attacks continue and the forum degenerates until only those who are "approved of" are allowed to have a voice.
This is an interesting question. To what extent can pressure from multiple forum members change certain members borish behavior? The anonimity or just simply separation afforded by electronic media such as the forum generally allows people to behave to others in ways they would not do face-to-face. Will that behavoir be modified if more members take the time (and it does take time) to point out when it is not acceptable? I am sure there is research into online bullying, but I am not sure what it concludes can be done by other online participants without personal knowledge of those involved. Most appears to focus on what parents and teachers of students subject to online bullying can do.
That being said, Nemo is almost certainly right that if we don't make the effort to stand up to it, we will get the forum we deserve.
ORIGINAL: thegreatwent
It is also easier to be rude when there is little chance you'll get punched in the face[:)]