RE: War in the West
Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:36 pm
by dwg
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ORIGINAL: Dali
Make this a balanced and playable mod is difficult.
Personally I think balance is over-rated, WWII wasn't a balanced conflict, the Axis had initial advantages over the Allies, then the Allies had overwhelming advantages over the Axis. Measure your performance against what you think you should be able to achieve, or what the real powers historically achieved, the one thing I don't think you can model is a balanced conflict, because the original wasn't.
Of course I play solitaire or vs the computer, so that biases my perceptions of the value of balance in comparison to people playing H2H, but whatever value you place on balance, it doesn't change the historical situation.
RE: War in the West
Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:06 pm
by Dali
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Apr 13, 41
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Stavanger at 97,34, Range 19,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
DD Z 9 W.Zenker, Shell hits 32, and is sunk
DD Z 11 B.von Arnim, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
Allied Ships
CA Effingham, Shell hits 2
CL Penelope
CL Galatea
DD Venetia
DD Wakeful
DD Worcester
DD Vortigern
DD Walpole
DD Wolverine
DD Vansittart
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 20,000 yards
Range closes to 19,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 19,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 19,000 yards
CA Effingham engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 19,000 yards
CA Effingham engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 19,000 yards
Range closes to 14,000 yards
DD Wolverine engages DD Z 11 B.von Arnim at 14,000 yards
CL Galatea engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 14,000 yards
DD Vansittart engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 14,000 yards
DD Walpole engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 14,000 yards
DD Vortigern engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 14,000 yards
Range closes to 12,000 yards
CA Effingham engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 12,000 yards
DD Walpole engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 12,000 yards
DD Venetia engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 12,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards
DD Vansittart engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 8,000 yards
DD Z 9 W.Zenker engages CL Penelope at 8,000 yards
DD Z 9 W.Zenker engages DD Vansittart at 8,000 yards
DD Z 9 W.Zenker engages DD Wolverine at 8,000 yards
DD Z 9 W.Zenker engages DD Walpole at 8,000 yards
DD Z 9 W.Zenker engages DD Venetia at 8,000 yards
Range increases to 13,000 yards
CL Penelope engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 13,000 yards
DD Z 9 W.Zenker engages DD Vansittart at 13,000 yards
DD Z 9 W.Zenker engages DD Vortigern at 13,000 yards
DD Z 9 W.Zenker engages DD Worcester at 13,000 yards
DD Z 9 W.Zenker engages DD Venetia at 13,000 yards
DD Z 11 B.von Arnim engages DD Walpole at 13,000 yards
DD Z 9 W.Zenker engages DD Vansittart at 13,000 yards
DD Wolverine engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 13,000 yards
DD Z 9 W.Zenker engages DD Walpole at 13,000 yards
DD Worcester engages DD Z 11 B.von Arnim at 13,000 yards
Range increases to 14,000 yards
DD Z 11 B.von Arnim engages DD Wolverine at 14,000 yards
DD Z 9 W.Zenker engages DD Wolverine at 14,000 yards
DD Vansittart engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 14,000 yards
DD Wolverine engages DD Z 11 B.von Arnim at 14,000 yards
DD Walpole engages DD Z 11 B.von Arnim at 14,000 yards
DD Vortigern engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 14,000 yards
Range closes to 13,000 yards
CA Effingham engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 13,000 yards
CL Galatea engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 13,000 yards
CL Penelope engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 13,000 yards
DD Vansittart engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 13,000 yards
DD Walpole engages DD Z 11 B.von Arnim at 13,000 yards
DD Z 9 W.Zenker engages DD Vortigern at 13,000 yards
DD Wakeful engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 13,000 yards
Range closes to 11,000 yards
CA Effingham engages DD Z 11 B.von Arnim at 11,000 yards
CL Galatea engages DD Z 11 B.von Arnim at 11,000 yards
CL Penelope engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 11,000 yards
DD Z 9 W.Zenker engages DD Vansittart at 11,000 yards
DD Z 9 W.Zenker engages DD Wolverine at 11,000 yards
DD Vortigern engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards
CA Effingham engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 7,000 yards
CL Galatea engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 7,000 yards
DD Wolverine engages DD Z 11 B.von Arnim at 7,000 yards
DD Wakeful engages DD Z 11 B.von Arnim at 7,000 yards
DD Z 11 B.von Arnim engages DD Venetia at 7,000 yards
Range closes to 6,000 yards
CA Effingham engages DD Z 11 B.von Arnim at 6,000 yards
DD Z 9 W.Zenker sunk by CL Galatea at 6,000 yards
Ishida W. orders Japanese TF to disengage
CA Effingham engages DD Z 11 B.von Arnim at 6,000 yards
CL Penelope engages DD Z 11 B.von Arnim at 6,000 yards
DD Worcester engages DD Z 11 B.von Arnim at 6,000 yards
DD Z 11 B.von Arnim sunk by DD Wakeful at 6,000 yards
Combat ends with last Japanese ship sunk...
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ASW attack near Aalesund at 93,23
Japanese Ships
SS U 38
Allied Ships
CA Suffolk
CL Manchester
CL Birmingham
DD Malcolm
DD Douglas
DD Tartar
DD Somali
DD Sikh
DD Punjabi
SS U 38 is sighted by escort
DD Tartar fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Somali attacking submerged sub ....
DD Sikh fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Punjabi fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Tartar fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Somali fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Tartar fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Tartar fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Tartar fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub
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Morning Air attack on Kobenhavn , at 104,41
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes
Japanese aircraft
He 111 H-2 x 36
Ju 88 A-4 x 2
Allied aircraft
no flights
Japanese aircraft losses
He 111 H-2: 1 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Dan Fokker C.V: 2 damaged
Dan Fokker C.V: 1 destroyed on ground
Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 7
Aircraft Attacking:
36 x He 111 H-2 bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 12 x 100 kg GP Bomb
2 x Ju 88 A-4 bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 28 x 50 kg GP Bomb, 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Kobenhavn , at 104,41
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Me 109 E-1 x 26
Ju 88 A-1 x 57
Allied aircraft
no flights
Japanese aircraft losses
Ju 88 A-1: 2 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Dan Gauntlet Mk.II: 5 damaged
Dan Gauntlet Mk.II: 1 destroyed on ground
Dan Fokker C.V: 2 damaged
Dan Fokker D.XXI: 1 damaged
Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 12
Aircraft Attacking:
30 x Ju 88 A-1 bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 28 x 50 kg GP Bomb, 2 x 100 kg GP Bomb
27 x Ju 88 A-1 bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 28 x 50 kg GP Bomb, 2 x 100 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Trondheim , at 102,24
Weather in hex: Moderate rain
Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes
Allied aircraft
Nor Gladiator Mk.II x 4
Nor Fokker C.V.D/E x 21
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
DD Z 22 A.Schmidt, Bomb hits 1
DD Z 2 H.Lody, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Z 21 W.Heidkamp, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Z 17 D.von Roeder, Bomb hits 1, on fire
Port hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Nor Fokker C.V.D/E bombing from 1000 feet *
Port Attack: 1 x 100 lb GP Bomb
2 x Nor Fokker C.V.D/E bombing from 1000 feet *
Port Attack: 1 x 100 lb GP Bomb
7 x Nor Fokker C.V.D/E bombing from 1000 feet *
Port Attack: 1 x 100 lb GP Bomb
5 x Nor Fokker C.V.D/E bombing from 1000 feet *
Port Attack: 1 x 100 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Aarhus at 103,40
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes
Allied aircraft
Dan Fokker C.V x 2
Allied aircraft losses
Dan Fokker C.V: 1 damaged
Japanese Ships
xAK Espana, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
Japanese ground losses:
105 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Dan Fokker C.V bombing from 1000 feet *
Naval Attack: 1 x 30 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Egersund , at 98,35
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes
Allied aircraft
Wellington Mk.I x 12
Wellington Mk.I A x 3
Allied aircraft losses
Wellington Mk.I: 1 damaged
Japanese Ships
AM M 1, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
AM M 9, Bomb hits 1, on fire
Port hits 5
Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Wellington Mk.I bombing from 1000 feet *
Port Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x Wellington Mk.I A bombing from 1000 feet
Port Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Egersund , at 98,35
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes
Allied aircraft
Hampden Mk.I x 12
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
AM M 2, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
AM M 13, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AM M 1, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
AM M 9, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
Port hits 4
Port supply hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Hampden Mk.I bombing from 1000 feet *
Port Attack: 3 x 250 lb GP Bomb
Massive explosion on AM M 13
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Morning Air attack on Egersund , at 98,35
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes
Allied aircraft
Wellington Mk.I A x 9
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
AM M 9, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
AM M 2, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
AM M 13, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
Port hits 7
Port supply hits 6
Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Wellington Mk.I A bombing from 1000 feet
Port Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on 7. Infantry Regiment, at 102,39 , near Aarhus
Weather in hex: Heavy rain
Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Me 110 C-2 x 17
He 111 H-2 x 78
Japanese aircraft losses
He 111 H-2: 4 damaged
Allied ground losses:
351 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 26 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Aircraft Attacking:
8 x He 111 H-2 bombing from 1000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 100 kg GP Bomb
35 x He 111 H-2 bombing from 1000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 100 kg GP Bomb
35 x He 111 H-2 bombing from 1000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 100 kg GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Aarhus at 103,40
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid spotted at 6 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes
Allied aircraft
Dan Fokker C.V x 3
Allied aircraft losses
Dan Fokker C.V: 1 damaged
Japanese Ships
xAK Jonia, Bomb hits 1, on fire
Japanese ground losses:
2 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Dan Fokker C.V bombing from 1000 feet *
Naval Attack: 1 x 30 kg GP Bomb
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Submarine attack near Plymouth at 82,49
Japanese Ships
SS U 23
Allied Ships
TK Norfold, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires
TK Norfold is sighted by SS U 23
SS U 23 launches 3 torpedoes
RE: War in the West
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:52 am
by inqistor
ORIGINAL: Dali
Work still further. At present, the main scenario testing continues. I play 4 full scenario 27 with SCN testers, while the Germans are too weak. In some cases, the Allies stopped the German troops already in Belgium. I have to be further improved
Technically speaking - Germany should achieve victory by outmaneuvering Allies, not defeating them in combat. I remember, that in Clash of Steel, if you do not go through Belgium, you will be stopped, no matter what.
That probably would require careful design of map, and assigning most of German units as motorized, while Allies as foot.
Second probability is not in firepower difference, but more in preparation, more like Allies will be short on supply, if battle takes longer, but with the scale involved, I do not see, how it could be possible to create long lines of supply in France.