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RE: Painfull Learning: Hortlund(J) vs. Historiker(A)

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:26 pm
by Historiker
ORIGINAL: Dan Nichols

You might want to send your CVs to Canton Island first. There should be 8000 fuel there, and almost none at Pago Pago.
btw. I did. Thank you!

RE: Painfull Learning: Hortlund(J) vs. Historiker(A)

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:48 pm
by Teikoku Kaigun
ORIGINAL: Historiker

It is only turn two, so he has almost nothing, yet.
I wil plaster the field daily and don't forget, I have reliable US torpedoes! [:D]

Well he has trouble then, i would move them all in. Your gamble has paid well and his hasnt.

RE: Painfull Learning: Hortlund(J) vs. Historiker(A)

Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 7:16 am
by obvert
ORIGINAL: Historiker

It is only turn two, so he has almost nothing, yet.
I wil plaster the field daily and don't forget, I have reliable US torpedoes! [:D]

Ouch! You got this rule too? That is one I would not agree to as Japan.

Big groups of subs operating near each other in the deep water areas of the DEI should do it. Plus about 20 hovering off of Tokyo by 5 hexes.

RE: Painfull Learning: Hortlund(J) vs. Historiker(A)

Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 11:42 am
by Historiker
Well, unfortunaltey the game has ended...

A little sad as I hoped to finally have an opponent who will test me to the maximum and had spent so much time for turn two as never before on an allied game [:(]

RE: Painfull Learning: Hortlund(J) vs. Historiker(A)

Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 11:47 am
by Historiker
So if there's someone here who keeps playing even if he looses KB and his BBs in the first months - or who can take care of them - he's invited to play me.

You've already found enough insights on how I play, so it'll be easier to predict [;)]

RE: Painfull Learning: Hortlund(J) vs. Historiker(A)

Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 11:53 am
by Hortlund
Historiker invited me to give my side of the issue here as the game is scrubbed.

This is all my fault really, and Im sorry that this caused Historiker to spend alot of time on a game that ended so soon. The problem was that I agreed to start a new game relatively soon after I started the game against Canoe, and at the same time, using the same setup-file as with Canoe.

The problem is that I have been pretty detailed in my AAR, in some cases with detailed screenshots over my units and with arrows showing the direction they will travel the next turn etc. The movements around Kuching - Palembang for the first week of the war was such an area where I have been posting pretty detailed info about my plans and movements. Given that it just felt wrong to see Force Z and the entire ABDA-area naval units show up exactly in those locations on turn 1-2.

I realize this is horribly unfair to Historiker, because he reasonably has to be allowed to play in the best way he sees fit, and some people are very agressive with Force Z and ABDA naval forces in the first week of the war. But from my side of the screen, I see huge surface forces appearing in the exact hex where they can be seen in a screenshot in my AAR, complete with arrows of movement for the next turn.

This started a discussion between us, and we have agreed to end this game, because it is clear that we were expecting different things from the game. You know how it is, sometimes two players just are not "in synch" if you know what I mean. And those games tend to be filled with frustration and are really not fun for anyone. I had one of those games against Castor Troy back in the WITP-days, and that just wasnt fun for anyone of us I think.

But I want to apologise to Historiker for starting the game, and not changing my setup enough to avoid situations like the one that happened. Historiker just played a good first turn, so no shadow should fall on him.

RE: Painfull Learning: Hortlund(J) vs. Historiker(A)

Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 12:01 pm
by adsoul64
Too sad the game is over I was enjoying this AAR. But the two of you have been really able to finish this one in a gentleman style, something pretty unusual. Congratulations!

RE: Painfull Learning: Hortlund(J) vs. Historiker(A)

Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 12:27 pm
by JocMeister
Its a shame the game is over but I´m glad you ended it in a gentlemen fashion! [:)]

RE: Painfull Learning: Hortlund(J) vs. Historiker(A)

Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 7:10 pm
by obvert
Sad it's over as well.

RE: Painfull Learning: Hortlund(J) vs. Historiker(A)

Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 5:12 am
by Historiker
Hortlund has said it: It didn't seem we were able to play a game be both will equally enjoy.
He obvuously felt betrayed with me attacking his ships off Borneo, expecting me to use detailed knowledge from his game against Canoe.

I wasn't happy about the communication and the way he reacted when I emptied Pearl after turn two.

By ending the game now, we spare some frustration and anger in a game that was likely not to last into 1946 due to our differences anyways. I think we've done it right and thank Hortlund for the chance to play against him.

RE: Painfull Learning: Hortlund(J) vs. Historiker(A)

Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 5:19 am
by DOCUP
This sucks.  I was enjoying this AAR.