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How did you make what happened next look like an accident?
My exe's last words were "What are you doing with a hammer in bed?"

I remember back in the 90's I was playing and collecting ASL modules. Have them all BTW, many doubles in shrinkwrap. But I was up in St.Louis at the time and at a hobby store that I frequented while there looking for some new things and a guy had a WiF addon. Not sure what it was. I asked him, 'what game is that' and he replied 'Wallet in Flames' and both he and the shopkeeper chuckled before he paid. I got to looking at the various sets briefly and decided then that one system was probably in my budget and I stuck with ASL.

My point? None, other than MWiF will come with almost every expansion released at a fraction of the cost. So while the price may seem high compared to other games out there, (just a guess because I don't know what it will be)look at what you are getting.

So that's the line I'm going to use when it's my time to purchase.

And Twotribes; smart lady. The ole dump and move.

I built my avatar by modifying a small version of that map by adding the Arctic and Antarctic, wrapping it around a sphere and then building a GIF animation from 71 images of that 3D object rotated 5 degrees at a time. I plan to make a much bigger version (say 1000 pixels high) that rotates 1 degree at a time, but generating 359 images is a lot of work. It will look cool though [:)]

Cheers, Neilster

It's impressive enough already, nice work!

ORIGINAL: Twotribes

I paid 250 dollars for War in Europe board game, bought 3 giant tables and put it up in the garage. Before we moved my wife threw away the game and I did not find out till it was time to move.

How did the divorce proceedings go?

I just told her how much it cost and she never touches my stuff any more.

Price has nothing to do with this one. But it would be a cool game just to own it. I need an AI, though. And a bank loan.

If you are getting a loan, then you might as well get enough to pay the additional cost to get the AI version when it comes out [:)]

Hi guys

the early access version is on sale at Essen for the next 4 days!

To give you an idea of pricing we are selling the PC Game, 3 Hardback books and the 21 x 9 foot map in a package for just €150 at Essen.

This is discounted on the final price but indicative of it. If you think about the cost of a new hard backed game book - usually ~$40 each plus the cost of a printed map at that size - At least $100 and probably up to $400, the value for money on the physical part of the game is unbelievable. The physical items alone could have been valued at $200-$400.

Then add in that you are getting the PC game too and I think you'll agree this is an amazing amount of value for money!

Discounted at €150? If that was the final price it would be about right. Very expensive though when it goes to full price, as in pounds rounds out at about 128.0. For comparison a DnD book of the same size, I can not speak of the quality of the WIF books as I have never seen them but the DnD books are about 30.0+ a book and of very good quality and quite a few come with fold out maps, obviously not as big as the monster here though, my last full set cost me just over 90+, so just a rough sum, 3 books come out at 90, game for 30 and the map for 8.
What is the final price going to be?

Darkspire

Exactly - the printed material alone would cost 150 Euros. Does your D&D game come with the PC game too?

ORIGINAL: Iain McNeil

Exactly - the printed material alone would cost 150 Euros. Does your D&D game come with the PC game too?

I can understand what you are saying, the map is very expensive and that the rest are a bonus with the price being asked. My price breakdown was from a consumers viewpoint, I was using the DnD books as an example, 3 of those cost about 90, You have 3 WIF books which are roughly the same size so that would be a 90 out of the 128 leaving 38 pounds, which could be split as 20 / 30 for the PC game (an average price range) and 8 / 18 for the map. I would rather just have a 500+ page PDF and print it out with the costs fronted by myself, should I wish to use the map (If I bought a bigger house!)

Darkspire

Have you looked at the price of a 21 x 9 foot map. If you can get one for less than £100 I'd be impressed. The ones I saw were much smaller and up to $300. I think you are misunderstanding the scale of things here. To be fair I don't think there has ever been a map this big before so its easily done

The map weighs over 3kg - that's how much paper is in it. The same as the 3 hard backed books!

It seems it wasn't clear how big a part of this package the map is - just to clarify the map is around half of the cost here. If you don't want the map yo'll be looking at around half this price.

150 Euros is $200?

Sounds reasonable with the map and all...just wondering do you have to buy a copy of the game with the map when it becomes available?

ORIGINAL: Neilster

I built my avatar by modifying a small version of that map by adding the Arctic and Antarctic, wrapping it around a sphere and then building a GIF animation from 71 images of that 3D object rotated 5 degrees at a time. I plan to make a much bigger version (say 1000 pixels high) that rotates 1 degree at a time, but generating 359 images is a lot of work. It will look cool though [:)]

Cheers, Neilster

Would be really cool if a globe like this could be done for a game. Is that what this is for or is this just a pet project of yours?

[EDIT: I mean done for a computer game like World in Flames or War in the Pacific to be specific, although a "board game" using a globe would be kind of unique and interesting too I think.]

since the game does not come out till the 7th I would appreciate a price check on the US side. I get paid on the 1st and need to save for it on the 7th.

This is just a pet project. I argued for a spheroidal global map ages ago but Steve said no. He inherited a lot of code from the earlier developer for the 2D map and unless you understand 3D graphics this sort of thing is pretty daunting. Actually, they're not that complicated and a fairly rudimentary 3D graphics engine could be used for this stuff.

I just made this to demonstrate what it would look like. You still need hexes because World in Flames is based on the hex but with 70,000 hexes it would simulate a sphere pretty closely.

Cheers, Neilster

ORIGINAL: wodin

150 Euros is $200?

Sounds reasonable with the map and all...just wondering do you have to buy a copy of the game with the map when it becomes available?

No

Cheers, Neilster

I think from what Iain said in the WIF forum that the game without map will be around $125...