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RE: A message to Slitherine from the astute Tim Stone...

Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:37 pm
by Aurelian
ORIGINAL: warspite1

Some people just want an argument......

I suspect that's the reason for this thread.

Why else bring it up?

Especially using some little known reviewer to bring it up.

I remember the days when computer games came on cassette tapes and protected floppys. There were no demos. Or patches for that matter.

I also remember when game reviewers reviewed the *game* Not bitch about lack of demos or how much they cost.


RE: A message to Slitherine from the astute Tim Stone...

Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:39 pm
by Boomer78
Guys, it's Saturday. Time for having fun, not fighting. Let's all do what stuffy journalists refuse to do or not allowed to do... and have a few drinks and enjoy ourselves.

And leave the beer tasting rants for the appropriate thread.

RE: A message to Slitherine from the astute Tim Stone...

Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:47 pm
by gradenko2k
ORIGINAL: Boomer78
My response wasn't intended to derail the topic, only to highlight how often RPS now resorts to rhetorical grandstanding and esoteric distractions... case in point, rather than review games or even demos as a whole, they chose to zero in on Matrix/Slitherine for lack of demo releases. And in an industry where demos have become an obsolete platform

That the article calls out Matrix/Slitherine for not having demos despite demos themselves being an "old" marketing strategy is only because Matrix/Slitherine is only doing the bare minimum of contemporary marketing strategies either - sure, nobody made a demo for Wargame European Escalation, but then Wargame EE has gone on sale multiple times and has even been part of 5-6 USD indie bundles.

Conversely, you wouldn't need to demo War in the Pacific if the entry fee was much much lower.

RE: A message to Slitherine from the astute Tim Stone...

Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:53 pm
by warspite1
ORIGINAL: Aurelian
ORIGINAL: warspite1

Some people just want an argument......

I suspect that's the reason for this thread.

Why else bring it up?

Especially using some little known reviewer to bring it up.

I remember the days when computer games came on cassette tapes and protected floppys. There were no demos. Or patches for that matter.

I also remember when game reviewers reviewed the *game* Not bitch about lack of demos or how much they cost.

warspite1

It seems like every 5 minutes there is a "Matrix are the most hideous corporation in the world" threads starting up..... [8|]

RE: A message to Slitherine from the astute Tim Stone...

Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:57 pm
by wodin
@Aurelian

Actually Tim is respected by Slitherine.

As for floppies and cassettes..erm..front cover of magazines would come with a whole host of demos either on cassette or floppy. You have a short memory. Blind fanboyism (Something you could call Hitlers cronies..what where they sycophants?) is as repulsive as blind hatred.

RE: A message to Slitherine from the astute Tim Stone...

Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 8:04 pm
by warspite1
ORIGINAL: wodin

@Aurelian

Actually Tim is respected by Slitherine.

As for floppies and cassettes..erm..front cover of magazines would come with a whole host of demos either on cassette or floppy. You have a short memory. Blind fanboyism (Something you could call Hitlers cronies..what where they sycophants?) is as repulsive as blind hatred.
warspite1

wodin I know WWI is your specialist subject, but I thought you would have known a bit more about WWII [:-]

Hitler's cronies weren't Fanboys, they were Brownshirts.

RE: A message to Slitherine from the astute Tim Stone...

Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 8:50 pm
by Toby42
ORIGINAL: gradenko_2000
ORIGINAL: Boomer78
My response wasn't intended to derail the topic, only to highlight how often RPS now resorts to rhetorical grandstanding and esoteric distractions... case in point, rather than review games or even demos as a whole, they chose to zero in on Matrix/Slitherine for lack of demo releases. And in an industry where demos have become an obsolete platform

That the article calls out Matrix/Slitherine for not having demos despite demos themselves being an "old" marketing strategy is only because Matrix/Slitherine is only doing the bare minimum of contemporary marketing strategies either - sure, nobody made a demo for Wargame European Escalation, but then Wargame EE has gone on sale multiple times and has even been part of 5-6 USD indie bundles.

Conversely, you wouldn't need to demo War in the Pacific if the entry fee was much much lower.

Sounds to me like you should take up knitting!

RE: A message to Slitherine from the astute Tim Stone...

Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 10:57 pm
by wworld7
Go further back to the time.when you had to type the
Program.yourself and then hoped it ran. If you were
Good at BASIC you could fix things when the.
Inevitable typo.in the article (the TRS CO-CO)
appeared. Many a frustrating nights I spent, but
it.led to a good career.

RE: A message to Slitherine from the astute Tim Stone...

Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 11:17 pm
by Aurelian
ORIGINAL: wodin

@Aurelian

Actually Tim is respected by Slitherine.

As for floppies and cassettes..erm..front cover of magazines would come with a whole host of demos either on cassette or floppy. You have a short memory. Blind fanboyism (Something you could call Hitlers cronies..what where they sycophants?) is as repulsive as blind hatred.

Not by me. I read reviews to find out about games. Not to hear belly aching about prices of brand new games or lack of demos.


What magazine had the cassette demo of SSI's first game? How about Cosmic Balance? Broadsides? I worked at a place that sold them, and I never saw any mag with demos.

You want to play? "blind fanboyism?" I'll play. Instead of using some pretty unknown person to complain about prices and demos, why don't *you* step up and do it instead of hiding behind some hack? *That* is repulsive.

RE: A message to Slitherine from the astute Tim Stone...

Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 11:19 pm
by Aurelian
ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Aurelian
ORIGINAL: warspite1

Some people just want an argument......

I suspect that's the reason for this thread.

Why else bring it up?

Especially using some little known reviewer to bring it up.

I remember the days when computer games came on cassette tapes and protected floppys. There were no demos. Or patches for that matter.

I also remember when game reviewers reviewed the *game* Not bitch about lack of demos or how much they cost.

warspite1

It seems like every 5 minutes there is a "Matrix are the most hideous corporation in the world" threads starting up..... [8|]

Yes. And yet, the ones who start them are still here. If the way they do business bothered me, I'd take my business elsewhere.

RE: A message to Slitherine from the astute Tim Stone...

Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:50 am
by Aurelian
ORIGINAL: flipperwasirish

Go further back to the time.when you had to type the
Program.yourself and then hoped it ran. If you were
Good at BASIC you could fix things when the.
Inevitable typo.in the article (the TRS CO-CO)
appeared. Many a frustrating nights I spent, but
it.led to a good career.

Yeah, I bought a book of programs you could type in. Had to do a little conversion to make it work on a C64.


RE: A message to Slitherine from the astute Tim Stone...

Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:41 am
by gradenko2k
ORIGINAL: Aurelian
You want to play? "blind fanboyism?" I'll play. Instead of using some pretty unknown person to complain about prices and demos, why don't *you* step up and do it instead of hiding behind some hack? *That* is repulsive.

You mean like how the author interviewed two other companies that have both done their own publishing, along with an indie dev that's undergone self-publishing, and all of whom are supporters of demos AND the leveraging of digital distribution sales?

RE: A message to Slitherine from the astute Tim Stone...

Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:07 am
by Alchenar
ORIGINAL: gradenko_2000
ORIGINAL: Aurelian
You want to play? "blind fanboyism?" I'll play. Instead of using some pretty unknown person to complain about prices and demos, why don't *you* step up and do it instead of hiding behind some hack? *That* is repulsive.

You mean like how the author interviewed two other companies that have both done their own publishing, along with an indie dev that's undergone self-publishing, and all of whom are supporters of demos AND the leveraging of digital distribution sales?

Yeah but Unity of Command isn't frustrating to play so it isn't a real wargame.

RE: A message to Slitherine from the astute Tim Stone...

Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 1:56 pm
by Kineas
I find it very annoying that the whole game industry is bashing Matrix Games. It's more like a value conflict, they just can't accept that some companies think differently. It seems RPS can't find better topics other than Matrix pricing or Matrix demos.

Besides, in this age just watch a Let's Play video on youtube, that's 80% of a demo for you. Meanwhile the developer can put the resources into the main game instead of pleasing the gaming communities with demos.

RE: A message to Slitherine from the astute Tim Stone...

Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 3:00 pm
by aaatoysandmore
Hey, I want more early access games and free to play until the final version. I like those better than demos. Demos are restrictive these early access games let you play the whole game for as long as you like, but, they sure have a lot of bugs. I could do without those but final versions usally have a lot of bugs too.

RE: A message to Slitherine from the astute Tim Stone...

Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 5:02 pm
by Aurelian
ORIGINAL: gradenko_2000
ORIGINAL: Aurelian
You want to play? "blind fanboyism?" I'll play. Instead of using some pretty unknown person to complain about prices and demos, why don't *you* step up and do it instead of hiding behind some hack? *That* is repulsive.

You mean like how the author interviewed two other companies that have both done their own publishing, along with an indie dev that's undergone self-publishing, and all of whom are supporters of demos AND the leveraging of digital distribution sales?

edit, I see you did, didn't notice it scrolled off my screen.

But either you didn't read it or comprehend it.

The OP doesn't like the policies of this company. But instead of coming out and saying it, he hides behind some guy.

So read it again.

RE: A message to Slitherine from the astute Tim Stone...

Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 5:15 pm
by Alchenar
ORIGINAL: Aurelian

ORIGINAL: gradenko_2000
ORIGINAL: Aurelian
You want to play? "blind fanboyism?" I'll play. Instead of using some pretty unknown person to complain about prices and demos, why don't *you* step up and do it instead of hiding behind some hack? *That* is repulsive.

You mean like how the author interviewed two other companies that have both done their own publishing, along with an indie dev that's undergone self-publishing, and all of whom are supporters of demos AND the leveraging of digital distribution sales?

Quote the whole thing then get back to me.

I love how you complain about being characterised as a 'blind fanboy' but then in your next response literally refuse to look at something yourself.

RE: A message to Slitherine from the astute Tim Stone...

Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 5:31 pm
by Aurelian
ORIGINAL: Kineas

I find it very annoying that the whole game industry is bashing Matrix Games. It's more like a value conflict, they just can't accept that some companies think differently. It seems RPS can't find better topics other than Matrix pricing or Matrix demos.


Certainly the OP feels that way. But won't come out on his own and say it. That *is* repulsive.

RE: A message to Slitherine from the astute Tim Stone...

Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 5:54 pm
by budd
maybe we can move this discussion on to that other polarizing frequently discussed topic "pricing" ....sorry couldn't resist[:'(]

RE: A message to Slitherine from the astute Tim Stone...

Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:05 pm
by Boomer78
Hey Budd, I tried to smooth things over and offer everyone a round of drinks about 9 posts ago. Seems sometimes the bar is just meant to be rowdy.