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RE: Soviet MRR in the Attack
Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:22 pm
by CapnDarwin
My plan for arty, what I would like to see us do, is break all special ammos out and track them with a separate ammo/fire missions quantity and even look at setting a % chance to have resupply. Also have a priority fires list in the game where the player can set target types and assign assets/ammo to aid the FSCC planning by the AI. I would also like to see time on target and duration for certain missions. We will be revamping things like arty mines for both time to prep, fire and reload (if you can). More integration of weather effects on smoke, chem and other attacks. We have been talking about adding a check box for each fire support asset to have it in or out of FSCC control too.
I'm sure there are other points and this is probably better served over in the New Features sub-forum too.
RE: Soviet MRR in the Attack
Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:15 am
by IronMikeGolf
Oh man, that does sound like it answers much mail, Capn
RE: Soviet MRR in the Attack
Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:49 am
by jds1978
Why not start the jump off point for the attack 2KM north.....the tree line is way closer to the town; allowing the APC's a fighting chance at getting the infantry off-loaded.
RE: Soviet MRR in the Attack
Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:19 am
by IronMikeGolf
ORIGINAL: jds1978
Why not start the jump off point for the attack 2KM north.....the tree line is way closer to the town; allowing the APC's a fighting chance at getting the infantry off-loaded.
No reason not to and that is probably a better approach angle. The scenario is posted earlier in the thread and is not locked.
I wanted to accomplish several things with this exercise. One of the is to show what a MRB deploying from the march to the attack looks like translated into this game. What units are where and the time and space things.
RE: Soviet MRR in the Attack
Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:52 pm
by Panzer_Leader
A nice write up Iron Mike Golf. One thing I've been thinking about after reading your AAR is your use of the Forward Security Element (FSE). My reading of Soviet doctrine is that the FSE operates 5-10km (15-30 minutes) ahead of its parent battalion, which would be operating as an Advanced Guard Main Body (AGMB) or Forward Detachment (FD), and precedes its way to the objective. The FSE would have a mission to clear any units in its path with less combat power and fix those units with more combat power that it can't destroy, in order to allow its parent AGMB or FD time and space to maneuver to hit the enemy unit blocking its path in the flank with approximately 2-3x the combat power.
In FPC-RS terms, this means I generally send a company-sized FSE one turn ahead of its parent battalion, where possible itself acting as an AGMB or FD to the regiment, to clear its path to the objective. In general terms it should be able to destroy anything of platoon size or less in its path and probably fix anything of company size or greater, pending arrival of its parent battalion. In the case where it needs to fix an enemy force, I think it should have a 'Screen' or, if the terrain and situation favors it, a 'Hold' order. I haven't actually had to fix an enemy unit using an FSE yet but I'll use these orders next time I do. What are your thoughts on my understanding of the FSE and how to apply it in-game as a Soviet player in FPC-RS?
RE: Soviet MRR in the Attack
Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:01 am
by jds1978
ORIGINAL: Iron Mike Golf
ORIGINAL: jds1978
Why not start the jump off point for the attack 2KM north.....the tree line is way closer to the town; allowing the APC's a fighting chance at getting the infantry off-loaded.
No reason not to and that is probably a better approach angle. The scenario is posted earlier in the thread and is not locked.
I wanted to accomplish several things with this exercise. One of the is to show what a MRB deploying from the march to the attack looks like translated into this game. What units are where and the time and space things.
Gotcha [8D]
RE: Soviet MRB in the Attack
Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:28 am
by IronMikeGolf
ORIGINAL: Panzer_Leader
A nice write up Iron Mike Golf. One thing I've been thinking about after reading your AAR is your use of the Forward Security Element (FSE). My reading of Soviet doctrine is that the FSE operates 5-10km (15-30 minutes) ahead of its parent battalion, which would be operating as an Advanced Guard Main Body (AGMB) or Forward Detachment (FD), and precedes its way to the objective. The FSE would have a mission to clear any units in its path with less combat power and fix those units with more combat power that it can't destroy, in order to allow its parent AGMB or FD time and space to maneuver to hit the enemy unit blocking its path in the flank with approximately 2-3x the combat power.
In FPC-RS terms, this means I generally send a company-sized FSE one turn ahead of its parent battalion, where possible itself acting as an AGMB or FD to the regiment, to clear its path to the objective. In general terms it should be able to destroy anything of platoon size or less in its path and probably fix anything of company size or greater, pending arrival of its parent battalion. In the case where it needs to fix an enemy force, I think it should have a 'Screen' or, if the terrain and situation favors it, a 'Hold' order. I haven't actually had to fix an enemy unit using an FSE yet but I'll use these orders next time I do. What are your thoughts on my understanding of the FSE and how to apply it in-game as a Soviet player in FPC-RS?
I believe your understanding is correct, though I think in terms of time rather than turns, since turn length is dynamic. The initial setup here had the FSE a bit closer to the main body (2 km instead of 3-5 km), but I compensated using movement delays to get a 1 hr separation near the objective.
Recon elements had spotted 3 of the three platoons in the town and tghe FSE did clear out enemy recon lurking near the attack position. The FSE did take some fire from the other platoon in the town, but never spotted it, due to it being night. So, the FSE could not fix them. The choices were to pull back or to attack with just the FSE at that point.
RE: Soviet MRR in the Attack
Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:08 pm
by Enigma6584
It is actually very educational. Thanks for the class. [:)]
RE: Soviet MRR in the Attack
Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:31 pm
by IronMikeGolf
I am looking at modifying the User spreadsheet to have an MRB with CRP and FSE taken from units organic to the MRB. So, the CRP would be a MR Plt plus 2xBRDM (NBC and Engr teams) and the FSE the MRC the CRP plt came from plus a tank plt. One battery of the RAG and MRB mortar bty accompany the FSE. I may re-do this scenario with the CRP and FSE starting on map and the main body arriving as reinforcements at around +45 minutes. Plus up the arty to a full battalion, too, with the other two batteries coming with the main body.
RE: Soviet MRR in the Attack
Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:06 pm
by Mad Russian
Something else that would be nice for SOP work is a formation order. Where formations follow at set distances to each other.
Good Hunting.
MR
RE: Soviet MRR in the Attack
Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:16 pm
by IronMikeGolf
Right on target, MR. That would be a HUGE help. Probably need formation type and direction of orientation.
RE: Soviet MRR in the Attack
Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:20 pm
by Panzer_Leader
ORIGINAL: Iron Mike Golf
I am looking at modifying the User spreadsheet to have an MRB with CRP and FSE taken from units organic to the MRB. So, the CRP would be a MR Plt plus 2xBRDM (NBC and Engr teams) and the FSE the MRC the CRP plt came from plus a tank plt. One battery of the RAG and MRB mortar bty accompany the FSE. I may re-do this scenario with the CRP and FSE starting on map and the main body arriving as reinforcements at around +45 minutes. Plus up the arty to a full battalion, too, with the other two batteries coming with the main body.
I like this idea and look forward to the AAR.
RE: Soviet MRR in the Attack
Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 12:29 pm
by IronMikeGolf
I added some obstacles and minefields to the Kalbe defense. AAR this evening, I expect.
RE: Soviet MRB in the Attack
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 11:30 am
by IronMikeGolf