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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 10:58 am
by Cap Mandrake
ORIGINAL: Itdepends
ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
What if you are worse at dancing than you are at golf?
Look on the bright side- you're unlikely to lose any of your balls while dancing.
You might on Bugis Street. Professionally, I mean.
RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:02 am
by Cap Mandrake
Air losses from the 8th. RAF bombers take it in the shorts going after the carriers off Malaysia.
That is probably the point of putting them there but it won't be so much fun for Japan if Hiryu "takes one up the chuff".
P-40's and display model P-26's get slaughter in the PI trying t protect the ships.
RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:09 am
by Cap Mandrake
ORIGINAL: uncivil_servant
It is a shame that the game with Dec 7 rules has commands that were notified of possible upcoming attack (Philippines) are hampered by having their CAP on day one gutted. Did you lose all of your pacific subs and the only type of USN subs that are worth a darn for the next year+ (the S type)?
I wonder if you can do a reverse Pearl Harbor and send your PH old BBs, with refueling points on a trajectory taking them to Tokyo Bay/Nasby industrial city to do some Industrial Bombardment. Or does mainland Japan have buku air search and betty bombers stationed there?
We lost only one S-boat so far, but quite a few boats are damaged as well. The thing is, if there were no Pearl Harbor attack, it is plausible that the KB could show up in the South China Sea at 7 AM and pound Manila without warning. I think that is what FDR was basically expecting, an attack on the PI.
RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:13 am
by Cap Mandrake
All of these boats refused to put to sea despite warnings that Manila now has no CAP.
RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:15 am
by Cap Mandrake
Half a dozen lightly damaged or undamaged boats are on patrol or headed for Soerabaja,
RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:17 am
by Cap Mandrake
So far, we saved every B-17 but the squadron that starts the game in crates is still being shipped around Luzon like Pakistani nukes. [:)]
RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:21 am
by Cap Mandrake
The main problem with using the prewar USN BB's on a port-busting raid is their speed. How would they get away at 21-22 kts if the KB were anywhere around?
They are very useful when it comes time to do amphibious landings. The can bombard just as well as a New Jersey
and they can be placed in amphibious convoys to absorb and suppress shore fire
RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:46 am
by Itdepends
You know if you disband those b17's most of the squadrons immediately show up on the west coast unrestricted......
RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:53 am
by Cap Mandrake
ORIGINAL: Itdepends
You know if you disband those b17's most of the squadrons immediately show up on the west coast unrestricted......
[X(] There is one left. I will dry-lab it.
Nope, it doesn't work with the B-17D HQ thingy on Luzon. Some of the 17's might show up as replacements later. The pilots are nothing to write home about anyway. [:)]
RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:06 pm
by BBfanboy
ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
ORIGINAL: Itdepends
You know if you disband those b17's most of the squadrons immediately show up on the west coast unrestricted......
[X(] There is one left. I will dry-lab it.
Nope, it doesn't work with the B-17D HQ thingy on Luzon. Some of the 17's might show up as replacements later. The pilots are nothing to write home about anyway. [:)]
You cannot disband the main element squadron until all the parts of it are together. You can disband some of the fragments elsewhere but unless it is a large base or has an HQ nearby the planes are usually destroyed rather than sent to the pool.
RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 6:36 pm
by Itdepends
I think the HQ is the only one that doesn't immediately reform. For giggles, try it on a new head to head scenario. It worked for us in the 2x2 we are playing against you.
RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:27 pm
by Mike McCreery
ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
What if you are worse at dancing than you are at golf?
You pray that when it is over with you still have all your balls...
RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:26 pm
by zuluhour
DANG IT! I still don't see the headlights.......
RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:32 pm
by Cap Mandrake
ORIGINAL: zuluhour
DANG IT! I still don't see the headlights.......
That's because you're in the wrong war, amigo.
RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:38 pm
by zuluhour
[X(]
RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2014 1:21 pm
by Cap Mandrake
Get this 4th Marine Regt only arrived in Luzon in Novmember '41. You may be surprised where they were before.
RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2014 1:22 pm
by Cap Mandrake
ORIGINAL: Itdepends
I think the HQ is the only one that doesn't immediately reform. For giggles, try it on a new head to head scenario. It worked for us in the 2x2 we are playing against you.
That is soooooo gamey. [:D]
RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2014 1:26 pm
by witpqs
ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
Get this 4th Marine Regt only arrived in Luzon in Novmember '41. You may be surprised where they were before.
China. Was it Shanghai?
RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2014 1:31 pm
by Cap Mandrake
ORIGINAL: witpqs
ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
Get this 4th Marine Regt only arrived in Luzon in Novmember '41. You may be surprised where they were before.
China. Was it Shanghai?
Shanghai it was. Must have been some kind of political statement. Crazy idea to put a whole regiment of Marines right in the middle of many tens of thousands of likely potential adversaries where they could have useful military role.
Of course, Luzon did not prove much better.
RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2014 1:40 pm
by witpqs
ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
ORIGINAL: witpqs
ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
Get this 4th Marine Regt only arrived in Luzon in Novmember '41. You may be surprised where they were before.
China. Was it Shanghai?
Shanghai it was. Must have been some kind of political statement. Crazy idea to put a whole regiment of Marines right in the middle of many tens of thousands of likely potential adversaries where they could have useful military role.
Of course, Luzon did not prove much better.
Somewhere on this forum a few years ago I read that they were not really that unit, but were put together from various smaller units that had been providing security (think like embassy security, only I don't that was what they said). Sort of like a 'presence' or 'show of force' probably aimed mostly at local thugs (even ones in authority) and obviously not an Imperial invasion. IIRC maybe a small number were in the Philippines and added in when the others were pulled out of China as war drew more obviously near.