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ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury

Maybe I am doing something wrong, and a bit off-topic

but I am having big problems supplying anything below Chittagong.

Yeah, a bit off topic and in an open forum.....but that said, I'm not having those issues...yet...

and before you ask, what I'm doing differently I have no idea.

Ed, you are violating an unwritten house rule: You shall not post in the forum when you have a turn to send back! [;)]

ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

Ed, you are violating an unwritten house rule: You shall not post in the forum when you have a turn to send back! [;)]

I figured I'd get chastised when I saw you on the forum....LOL[&o]

Will get it back to ya tonight! Promise!

ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

Ed, you are violating an unwritten house rule: You shall not post in the forum when you have a turn to send back! [;)]

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ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury

Maybe I am doing something wrong, and a bit off-topic

but I am having big problems supplying anything below Chittagong.

Are you in the monsoon season? May15-Oct15 IIRC. If so the base draw limits and heavy ops could be causing you a problem.

No it was after the monsoon, I think I brought too many divisions... so not only bombers [:D] and this is DaBabes-C with extended map/ stacking limits. Once you are overstacked, there is a severe supply penalty

ORIGINAL: rustysi

ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury

Maybe I am doing something wrong, and a bit off-topic

but I am having big problems supplying anything below Chittagong.

Are you in the monsoon season? May15-Oct15 IIRC. If so the base draw limits and heavy ops could be causing you a problem.

The whole area below Darjeeeling is supply-starved. You have to ship supply directly from Calcutta to Chittagong. Single xAKLs with 1000-1500 supply capacity give you the fastest turnaround time at both ports. Then the supply will trickle from Chittagong to the units below it.

ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

Interesting discussion. Yes, from my experience heavy bombers will get through no matter what. And Allied fighter are not weak in 1942. I have recently suffered a devastating air offensive in my PBEM against Ed aka IdahoNYer. I have seen B-17Es being outnumbered 10:1 by my CAP fighters - and the bombers got through without losses. I have also seen enemy sweeps being vastly outnumbered (for example 48:3, 45:2) - and getting away without losses and with kills on their own (A6M2, A6M3 and Oscars IIB vs. Wildcats and Beaufighters, not P-38s). That's with exp/air/def = 50+/70+/60+ pilots with good morale etc. flying at max altitude allowed for the "second-best mnvr band" house rule. I know that I am not the best player and I may not use optimal settings, still I expected less lopsided results in Nov 1942. 80% of my unrestricted air and ground forces are engaged in just trying to hold Burma against the Allied onslaught - something must be wrong with history [;)]. Kudos to Ed, he's a worthy opponent.

No offense meant but you are certainly doing something wrong. As a rule of thumb allied 4Es will suffer around 1 downed plane for every airborne enemy fighter. This after OPS losses are counted. If they are getting through without losses you have your CAP placed at the wrong altitude. So he is either flying above or under your CAP. Considering allied replacements rate you can ill afford doing unescorted strikes where enemy CAP is present.

Regarding the 2nd maneuver band HR its actually one of the worst and most disruptive HRs you can have. As Japan this should give you a huge boost in 42 and 43 where you have the Tojo (which by your HR has access to the 31k altitude). In contrast only the Hurricane IIc and P38s have access to the same altitude. The backbone of the Allied air force the P39 and P40s doesn´t. So you should be crushing your opponent with high altitude sweeps placed above his CAP.

All this will of course change when the P47 arrives. They in turn have access to an ever higher altitude so your opponent will sweep you into oblivion until you can throw out thousands of Frank "Rs" which have access to the same MVR band as the P47. You can then put up a good fight and overwhelm P47s by sheer numbers.

This is the main problem with the 2nd MVR band HR. Its makes the entire air war about which planes have access to which altitude bands. Highest wins. I would strongly recommend to do away or change the HR. Personally I use a max altitude HR which is the same for both sides. This somewhat negates the insane dive bonus.

I would recommend you to read Obverts AAR when he was playing me a couple of years back. We used the same HR and Erik was absolutely killing me in the air until I got the Hellcat and P47.

Thanks for the comments. I may have gotten something wrong - in my interpretation of "second-best mnvr band", the Tojos (and Zeros) are limited to max 20k, the Oscars to 15k. 31k for Tojos would put them in their "second-worst" band for me. This is with DBB-C.

ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

Thanks for the comments. I may have gotten something wrong - in my interpretation of "second-best mnvr band", the Tojos (and Zeros) are limited to max 20k, the Oscars to 15k. 31k for Tojos would put them in their "second-worst" band for me. This is with DBB-C.

Just checked. Your are absolutely right. [:)]

I was playing a stock game against Erik. Latest DBBs contain Symons new AC files which changed a lot of stuff around. Not sure if it will be good or bad for you. But I think Symon made some Japanese fighters real killers like the George?

Regarding the Allied 4Es look at what altitude his bombers are flying and set your cap 1k above that. Don´t forget looking at OPS losses. These will often surpass the A2A kills by a large margin.

This is the main problem with the 2nd MVR band HR. Its makes the entire air war about which planes have access to which altitude bands. Highest wins. I would strongly recommend to do away or change the HR. Personally I use a max altitude HR which is the same for both sides. This somewhat negates the insane dive bonus.

This is good to know as I play stock. Would you mind posting those altitudes, as I forgotten what they are.

ORIGINAL: rustysi

This is the main problem with the 2nd MVR band HR. Its makes the entire air war about which planes have access to which altitude bands. Highest wins. I would strongly recommend to do away or change the HR. Personally I use a max altitude HR which is the same for both sides. This somewhat negates the insane dive bonus.

This is good to know as I play stock. Would you mind posting those altitudes, as I forgotten what they are.

Going completely by memory I think it was something like:
41-42: 20k
43: 25k
44-: 30k

Erik and I had a much better experience once we did away with the 2nd best MVR band. No more 50:1 results. [:)]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

ORIGINAL: rustysi

This is the main problem with the 2nd MVR band HR. Its makes the entire air war about which planes have access to which altitude bands. Highest wins. I would strongly recommend to do away or change the HR. Personally I use a max altitude HR which is the same for both sides. This somewhat negates the insane dive bonus.

This is good to know as I play stock. Would you mind posting those altitudes, as I forgotten what they are.

Going completely by memory I think it was something like:
41-42: 20k
43: 25k
44-: 30k

Erik and I had a much better experience once we did away with the 2nd best MVR band. No more 50:1 results. [:)]

As Jocke says. This will help gameplay and I've used the same in several games to good effect. I even do this when playing H to H or against the AI from my side as it just makes more sense.

The last one is usually 31k for 44 and then it's kind of fine to let the doors open for 45 to any altitude, as this does help the Allies stay positive against most better Japanese models that have been pushed forward (and produced heavily). The P-47, P-51 and later Corsairs have higher ceilings than the Ki-84 and many other late war planes. If the Japanese end up with K-83, J7W and Ki-94 too early the Allies are screwed anyway. [:)]

That is for PDU off?

ORIGINAL: obvert
As Jocke says. This will help gameplay and I've used the same in several games to good effect. I even do this when playing H to H or against the AI from my side as it just makes more sense.

The last one is usually 31k for 44 and then it's kind of fine to let the doors open for 45 to any altitude, as this does help the Allies stay positive against most better Japanese models that have been pushed forward (and produced heavily). The P-47, P-51 and later Corsairs have higher ceilings than the Ki-84 and many other late war planes. If the Japanese end up with K-83, J7W and Ki-94 too early the Allies are screwed anyway. [:)]

Erik! [&o]

Glad to see you are still around at least sporadically. Any chance of a full blown comeback? [:)]

ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

That is for PDU off?

Don't think the Japanese can get those high end aircraft with PDU off.

ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

That is for PDU off?

We played with PDU ON. But I´m playing with the same HRs in another PDU OFF game now. [:)]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

ORIGINAL: rustysi



This is good to know as I play stock. Would you mind posting those altitudes, as I forgotten what they are.

Going completely by memory I think it was something like:
41-42: 20k
43: 25k
44-: 30k

Erik and I had a much better experience once we did away with the 2nd best MVR band. No more 50:1 results. [:)]

As Jocke says. This will help gameplay and I've used the same in several games to good effect. I even do this when playing H to H or against the AI from my side as it just makes more sense.

The last one is usually 31k for 44 and then it's kind of fine to let the doors open for 45 to any altitude, as this does help the Allies stay positive against most better Japanese models that have been pushed forward (and produced heavily). The P-47, P-51 and later Corsairs have higher ceilings than the Ki-84 and many other late war planes. If the Japanese end up with K-83, J7W and Ki-94 too early the Allies are screwed anyway. [:)]

That's what I thought, but wasn't sure. Sounds like the way to go. Thanks for the responses.[:)]

Grr... In my PBEM my opponent has been sending three B-17Es against Broome at night for five or six consecutive turns. I try to counter with an entire group of Nicks at 60% night CAP. Pilot exp, fatigue, morale etc. ok and each night 15 to 23 Nicks tangle with the three beasts. Results - each night I lose 2-3 Nicks to bombers, with the odd beast being damaged now and then. Wtf?!?

Just park 15-18 big AA guns there and the three B-17s will score no hits on the base. 5 big AA guns per one 4E seems to disrupt their targeting for good.