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Dec 20th, 1941

Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:42 pm
by Anachro
December 20th, 1941: Disaster at Mersing

Excerpts from H.S. Percival's Lost Triumphs: The Early Pacific War in the East Indies

...thus was this the crux of the problem for Japan early in the war: the navy displayed little aptitude in learning from its past mistakes. Rather, the motto seemed to be if it doesn't work, try, try again. This came to the forefront once more with attempts to conduct simultaneous landings at both Mersing and Palembang. In actions that shouldn't have shocked high command given the previous few days, the Mersing convoy was nearly annihilated by a large number of bombers operating out of Singapore. Once again, without adequate air cover to suppress enemy air threats, Japanese captains were at the mercy of British pilots who had been getting a lot of practice in naval bombing over the past week.

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Kuantan at 52,81

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 4
139WH-3 x 4

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAK Holland Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Morning Air attack on TF, near Kuantan at 52,81

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-339D x 3

Allied aircraft losses
B-339D: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAKL Kokuei Maru, Shell hits 1

Japanese ground losses:
47 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Morning Air attack on TF, near Kuantan at 52,81

Allied aircraft
Swordfish I x 7
Vildebeest III x 12

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
xAK Holland Maru, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Manyo Maru, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Hukusei Maru
xAKL Kokuei Maru
xAK Kotohira Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
682 casualties reported
Squads: 15 destroyed, 27 disabled
Non Combat: 27 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 46 (46 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Morning Air attack on TF, near Kuantan at 52,81

Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 2

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
xAK Yamabuki Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Morning Air attack on TF, near Kuantan at 52,81

Allied aircraft
Vildebeest III x 10

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
xAK Koto Maru, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Nihonka Maru, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
xAK Kotohira Maru, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Holland Maru, and is sunk


Japanese ground losses:
5037 casualties reported
Squads: 90 destroyed, 78 disabled
Non Combat: 107 destroyed, 77 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 47 (41 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Vehicles lost 38 (32 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Morning Air attack on TF, near Kuantan at 52,81

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 1,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 3
Wirraway x 3

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
xAKL Kokuei Maru, Bomb hits 1

Japanese ground losses:
69 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Kuantan at 52,81

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 3
Swordfish I x 7
Vildebeest III x 14

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
xAK Hukusei Maru, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
xAKL Kokuei Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Yamabuki Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

xAK Keisyo Maru

Japanese ground losses:
2346 casualties reported
Squads: 24 destroyed, 47 disabled
Non Combat: 49 destroyed, 49 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Kuantan at 52,81

Allied aircraft
Vildebeest III x 10

Japanese Ships
xAKL Kaisho Maru, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAKL Kokuei Maru, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Keisyo Maru, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk


Japanese ground losses:
2774 casualties reported
Squads: 24 destroyed, 80 disabled
Non Combat: 43 destroyed, 80 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 31 (26 destroyed, 5 disabled)

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Kuantan at 52,81

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 2,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 3
Wirraway x 6

Japanese Ships
xAKL Chosen Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAK Yamabuki Maru, and is sunk

Japanese ground losses:
1609 casualties reported
Squads: 40 destroyed, 87 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 43 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Guns lost 33 (25 destroyed, 8 disabled)

Excerpts from H.S. Percival's Lost Triumphs: The Early Pacific War in the East Indies

...but the worries of imperial leadership were not alleviated by other disasters elsewhere. In an extraordinary introduction to the lethal potential of American submarines, the old submarine S-40, now famous in American lore for her exploits, delivered a knockout blow to the ailing light carrier Ryujo. In a miracle for American torpedoes at the time, she put not one, but three torpedoes into the hull of Ryujo, which sank in a matter of minutes from the violence of the blasts with all hands lost. In a terrible portent for the future, Japan has already lost a carrier. To all, it seemed as if air power was not all it was made out to be, and the sinking of Ryujo proved that a carriers were vulnerable to surface action.

The Good War: Personal Recollections from World War 2

...we had been waiting, just patrolling this one area for the past two days, and the skipper was beginning to grow nervous of enemy aircraft operating out of the Japanese island nearby. There had been some close calls over the past few days and [the ship], rickety as she was, couldn't take much of a blast. The men played cards and did the best they could to kill the time - and then there she was slowly moving through the night with smoke marking her out as a prime target! Orders came out for silent running and battle stations and we made nearly a perfect run into range. Three torpedoes struck her and there was much celebrating throughout the ship. We felt like we had won the war! So much for those faulty torpedoes we had been hearing about - Seaman First Class John O'Connel

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The S-40 was not the submarine command had expected to begin delivering blows against the Japanese, much less a capital ship. Laid down in 1919 and commissioned on November 20th, 1923, she was already considered largely outdated by the time war broke out. Nonetheless, she distinguished herself greatly and became an icon of the U.S. submarine fleet during the darker days of the early war. For his actions on the 20th, Captain Lucker of the SS-40 would receive the Bronze Star.

Excerpts from H.S. Percival's Lost Triumphs: The Early Pacific War in the East Indies

...thousands of miles away, events with obvious strategic implications had simultaneously taken place. Midway has recently been mined as a means of shoring up defenses in the Central Pacific; and, during the middle of the night on the 20th, several blasts were heard around what amounted to a harbor at the island. In the morning, local barges investigating found flotsam and oil strewn through the ocean - evidence of submarines operating in the wrong place at the wrong time. What did this mean? Why were submarines operating all the way out here? The only suggestion that made sense was scouts acting forward of an invasion force. Were Japanese carriers returning east?
TF 30 encounters mine field at Midway Island (158,91)

Japanese Ships
SS I-15, Mine hits 1, on fire

TF 29 encounters mine field at Midway Island (158,91)

Japanese Ships
SS I-9, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

TF 32 encounters mine field at Midway Island (158,91)

Japanese Ships
SS I-17, Mine hits 1, heavy damage

TF 29 encounters mine field at Midway Island (158,91)

Japanese Ships
SS I-9, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

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...if they were going to take Midway, however, they needed to look to their rear flank first. In a improbable and extraordinary success for such a small garrison, the defenders at Wake managed to wipe out Japanese SNLF forces on the island, which insisted on conducting suicidal charges to the last man. This was in lane with army doctrine, which places extreme importance on offense, the individual soldier, the bushido spirit, and the bayonet, but it failed them here. The invading unit was killed to the last man.
round combat at Wake Island (136,98)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 935 troops, 11 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 3

Defending force 1423 troops, 21 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 20

Japanese ground losses:
41 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Maizuru 2nd SNLF Wiped Out at Wake Island by attrition!!!

Discussion

I don't think I've ever seen so many things happen in one turn. The decimation at Mersing makes me wonder if I can hold Singapore for longer. Probably shouldn't try, however. Still I can't imagine the pain my opponent is going through. His forces aren't doing so great in Hong Kong and China either; and he just failed at Wake Island. Ultimately, I think this will make him much more careful and stronger.

The Palembang force moved south to avoid my plans, but this just allowed my air force to focus almost entirely on Mersing. Ultimately, it seems around 13,000 Japanese troops drowned beneath the sea. This number is probably realistically a lot lower.

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The submarines that died at Midway, I couldn't believe it! That really tells me he was going for Midway. He probably still will go for Midway, but he really should turn for the DEI with his carriers and put down Singapore once and for all. I would if I were him. Taking Midway makes little strategic sense. It's a worthless island, except for its ability to act as a float plane base. I think he must've lost a full division or more at Mersing...I wonder if I can hold Rabaul and Burma...

Thoughts, discussion?

RE: Dec 20th, 1941

Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 9:52 pm
by Jorge_Stanbury
You can, at most, delay the fall of Singapore and Palembang, I would move LCUs to Palembang and maybe some air squadrons to Singapore, so that he needs to walk Malaya.
Engineering LCUs to Palembang so that once he capture it, oil wells are damaged.

Question on Midway: how many mines did you have there?
Did he tried to land at Palembang? if so, what was the damage to mines?




RE: Dec 20th, 1941

Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 10:44 pm
by Anachro
I have the palembang base force which has engineers. Is that enough? His TF hasnt reached Palembang yet so no hits, but he will get there soon.

I had around ~300 mines at Midway.

RE: Dec 20th, 1941

Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 11:28 pm
by Jorge_Stanbury
It is all based on luck and engineers; I think it is how many survived after the battle without disruption.

In my game I lost 99 oil and 82 refineries; this plus another 27 each at Miri [:@] [:@]


Dec 21st, 1941

Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:46 am
by Anachro
December 21st, 1941

Singapore
Somewhat of a quiet turn, though there has been action. A BB/CVE task force appeared just off Singapore and I'm not sure what it is trying to do. It's full of old BBs like the Fuso and a CVE and I think it might try to do a bombardment of Singapore as a sacrifice for inflicting damage, but if so...there are big coastal batteries and mines. Hmm. We'll see. For now, my transports are moving out of Singapore and Repulse/DDs will be providing cover. Let's see if we can put a torp in the CVE tomorrow! I don't mind this TF running into Repulse because 1) it's old BBs mean I don't think it can decisively kill Repulse and 2) I'd rather have it run away before bombarding any transports. Getting Burma troops out is more important than Repulse. I wanted to save her, but she isn't worth as much as a POW. However, I suspect she will survive tomorrow. She is only lightly damaged at the moment.

Landings at Kuantan and Mersing. The Mersing landing is very light due to all the transports sunk yesterday; I'm almost tempted to go up and kill it with my LCUs at Johore Bharu.

CenPac
In other news, he took Wake Island today with another landing. Too bad he just missed having one of his SNLF units destroyed. Another sub hits a mine at Midway. You'd think he'd learn the first time.
TF 40 encounters mine field at Midway Island (158,91)

Japanese Ships
SS I-25, Mine hits 1, on fire

Palembang
Something funny happened and the Hibiki of Small Ship, Big War AAR fame has been supposedly sunk in a collision near Batavia strangely enough. What does that mean? In other news, for you Jorge, his task force did make a move for Palembang but it was forced to break off due to mines maybe. Here are the results:
TF 11 encounters mine field at Palembang (48,91)

Japanese Ships
DD Shirayuki
DD Fubuki
DD Nowaki
CA Suzuya, Mine hits 1
DD Usugumo, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage


3 mines cleared

Elsewhere

Bought out a Australian brigade to reinforce Port Moresby with.

Kido Butai

No sightings at the moment, but it's either heading for Midway or DEI/SoPac. In response to me saying "You'll get your oil, Singapore, and the rest...I'm sure the revenge is coming sooner or later," my opponents last email stated:
Oh it will. Trust me. Planning and preparations have already begun.

I guess we'll find out soon enough what that means.

RE: Dec 21st, 1941

Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 11:12 am
by Bif1961
If you have time pin his landing forces down at Mersing with air power then move up LCUs to crush it. Its a rare opportunity to kill Japanese units in Malaya. This will delay his use of them in follow up operations and burn many of his force pool squads to rebuild what you have killed.

RE: Dec 21st, 1941

Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:11 pm
by Anachro
Well, my opponent sent me a message today wanting to know if we could restart. He said he'd continue on if I wanted to, but I know when you make such an offer your heart's not really in it. If we kept on, he might get discouraged sooner or later and I'd rather not waste my time. Not denigrating my opponent, just saying what I think would happen. A bit disappointing, but not unexpected. I did think he was making some big rookie mistakes that cost him dearly. I wonder if I can call this a victory...

Anyways, he did say this:
I know that I'm asking a lot out of you already. But if you do want to restart I will honestly give you the best Pacific War that has ever been fought in WitP:AE history. I have built a strategy that I truly think will cause a Japanese victory. Its too late to implement it in our current game (it requires a turn 1 commitment and historical first turn off.) But again, if you are fine with restarting I will honestly never ask it again, no matter what happens to my carriers or troops or 99exp pilots.

Hmm. I wonder what this strategy is. Should we see or would I be better off finding a new opponent?

RE: Dec 21st, 1941

Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:27 pm
by Jorge_Stanbury
If he gets discouraged by the loss of some minor carriers, then imagine what will happen when he loses the KB...

I would not restart, maybe stop the game, but certainly not restart against the same opponent

Dec 22nd, 1941

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 11:01 am
by Anachro
December 22nd, 1941

Here's some of what happened in the last turn:

Sub Attacks

xAK Yamahuzi Maru, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Yamahuzi Maru, Shell hits 9, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Montreal Maru, Torpedo hits 1

Mines

TF 11 encounters mine field at Palembang (48,91)

Japanese Ships
CA Kumano, Mine hits 1


TF 11 encounters mine field at Palembang (48,91)

Japanese Ships
DD Shirayuki
DD Fubuki
CA Mogami, Mine hits 1

Air

Japanese Ships
CL Kinu
xAK Toba Maru, Bomb hits 1
xAKL Bokuei Maru, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAKL Jokuja Maru, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk



So he probably lost some CAs to my minefield in addition to earlier damage. You really shouldn't be bringing capital ships into such danger prior to clearing; they aptly have greatest risk of hitting a mine it seems.

Still haven't decided what I should do...he promises to do a major twist on everything and will write an AAR, but I wonder if he'll stick to it when things don't go as planned.

RE: Dec 22nd, 1941

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 11:53 am
by Bif1961
Seems he needs more practice as the Japanese. true if he can't handle small losses now he will not be able to withstand the hammer blows later when the KB is turned into coral reefs around the Pacific. He might be better of restarting as the Allies and watching you conduct the Japanese side before trying them again himself.

RE: Dec 21st, 1941

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:07 pm
by BBfanboy
ORIGINAL: Anachro

Well, my opponent sent me a message today wanting to know if we could restart. He said he'd continue on if I wanted to, but I know when you make such an offer your heart's not really in it. If we kept on, he might get discouraged sooner or later and I'd rather not waste my time. Not denigrating my opponent, just saying what I think would happen. A bit disappointing, but not unexpected. I did think he was making some big rookie mistakes that cost him dearly. I wonder if I can call this a victory...

Anyways, he did say this:
I know that I'm asking a lot out of you already. But if you do want to restart I will honestly give you the best Pacific War that has ever been fought in WitP:AE history. I have built a strategy that I truly think will cause a Japanese victory. Its too late to implement it in our current game (it requires a turn 1 commitment and historical first turn off.) But again, if you are fine with restarting I will honestly never ask it again, no matter what happens to my carriers or troops or 99exp pilots.

Hmm. I wonder what this strategy is. Should we see or would I be better off finding a new opponent?
Handling the Japanese side is one of the hardest things to do at game start with so many places to take and such a tight time schedule. I would give a player doing his first game the benefit of the doubt and do the restart. I think the strategy he is referring to is simply to do the Mersing gambit on turn one or two and the Palembang gambit with some DMS leading the pack. He may also try to kill the allied subs at Manila with the opening strike. Basically, just fix the things that hurt him in the first try. But with a non-historic start you have some options too...

RE: Dec 21st, 1941

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 5:07 pm
by Anachro
BBfanboy, just to be sure, I don't think its his first game, just his first game of DBB. He was boasting to me earlier how he had just finished another PBEM in '43 with a Japan victory, not to mentioned we had played another PBEM before this that also got to late December before he asked if I wanted to restart. In that one as well, I had decimated a good number of his un-escorted transports. I'm just pointing it out.

I like my opponent (Riley), hes a nice guy!, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. A few conditions for him:

1. PDU off (negotiable but I'd prefer it)
2. He has to write an AAR and post it before we begin. Hopefully you'll see it soon.

If he loses KB and quits in 1942, it will be out and the open at least. [:)]

RE: Dec 21st, 1941

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:24 pm
by Rio Bravo
ORIGINAL: Anachro

BBfanboy, just to be sure, I don't think its his first game, just his first game of DBB. He was boasting to me earlier how he had just finished another PBEM in '43 with a Japan victory, not to mentioned we had played another PBEM before this that also got to late December before he asked if I wanted to restart. In that one as well, I had decimated a good number of his un-escorted transports. I'm just pointing it out.

I like my opponent (Riley), hes a nice guy!, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. A few conditions for him:

1. PDU off (negotiable but I'd prefer it)
2. He has to write an AAR and post it before we begin. Hopefully you'll see it soon.

If he loses KB and quits in 1942, it will be out and the open at least. [:)]

Anachro-

Considering that you think Riley is a good guy and that he seems so excited about his new strategy, I think you should go ahead and do a re-start with him.

Hopefully he will continue to be a nice opponent and you two will have lots of fun slaughtering each other!

Best Regards,

-Terry