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Kind of shocking.

A look at the House of Representatives votes (individuals) indicates how the Presidential votes should be going...not entirely shocking...let's see how they finish up

Woke up this morning here in little old Englandsville and [X(]

Here, on the west coast, it's a shocker, its going to be a hard night [:(]

Well, that went as expected.

It looks pretty solid at 10:25 PST - will there be last minute shenanigans?

The only surprise so far to me is that it doesn't look rigged at this point - give it 12 hours and we'll see

When you say shenanigans do you mean something dodgy - or just a few surprise results for Clinton to swing it back to her?

ORIGINAL: Orm

Well, that went as expected.

warspite1

But all the indicators yesterday afternoon were suggesting a Clinton victory.

No - to be totally clear I mean TOTALLY DODGY and UNDERHANDED

looks like that won't happen this year

ORIGINAL: warspite1

When you say shenanigans do you mean something dodgy - or just a few surprise results for Clinton to swing it back to her?

How did the pollsters get it sooooo wrong?

Because (and I'm sure the kool-aid drinking delusionists here will correct me) the Polsters are the Media...they don't report news - they are simply propagandists who try their best to shape opinion... Pravda is more reliable than the Media

ORIGINAL: warspite1

How did the pollsters get it sooooo wrong?

My impression is that the pollsters did a pretty darn good job. The inherent difficulty in a close election is that turnout may not match poll results. If one party is jazzed and the other isn't, turnout for the former can be disproportionate, swinging the result by a few percent. That's what happened here in many of the close states like Florida and North Carolina.

The biggest surprise was the "Iron Belt" states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin. But both parties knew something was up there and spent an inordinate amount of time the past few days campaigning there. You can say a lot of states were the "nail in the coffin," but I'd say it was Wisconsin. I don't think anybody saw that coming.

ORIGINAL: warspite1

How did the pollsters get it sooooo wrong?

Pollsters usually have a large number who do not answer. They do not always follow the exact same pattern as those that do answer.

And some people lie but I suspect those are rather few.

ORIGINAL: Big B

Because (and I'm sure the kool-aid drinking delusionists here will correct me) the Polsters are the Media...they don't report news - they are simply propagandists who try their best to shape opinion... Pravda is more reliable than the Media

ORIGINAL: warspite1

How did the pollsters get it sooooo wrong?

warspite1

Okay, to be clear I mean what we call the 'exit polls'. Do you have them over there?

The ones here got the last election frighteningly accurate (given its such a seemingly small number that are polled). Indeed when the exit poll was announced (right after the booths closed) the talking heads being interviewed were all saying it was impossible and the exit pollsters had got it incredibly wrong!

It means simply - wake the F#*k up and understand what the Media does is - SHAPE news - not objectively report news - for the last umpteen years.
If you can't (not warspite1 - I mean everyone) understand that - you're gonna be dumbfounded by everything you will see happening across the globe in the coming years.

Much as I would like to let this run, I don't want to get in trouble with Matrix.

Bill