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RE: Crisis in Sirte #3: Riptide - 8/6/85 - DAR (no Crossroads)

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:14 pm
by berto

TURN #6

The attack in the center is stalled. Off a bit farther to the west, the Libyan left flank cowers in fear, and sees little point in advancing. Maybe I should send them north to "Yorkshire".

To the east, I am marshalling my forces for a push towards "Devonshire".

In the course of my phase, British MANPADs at "Devonshire" got in a shot at my Mi-2s. Fortunately they missed. Unfortunately I have no T-72s near enough to blast the MANPADs. I retire the Mi-2s to the right center, there to recon that sector.

My only credible (?) Chieftain killer, it seems, is my flight of two Mi-24 Hinds. I swing them around south of "Cumbria" and position them behind the center assault force. Flying NOE all the way, of course.

After my Side B (Libyan) move (Side B is the scenario's second side), the situation at the end of Turn 6:

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RE: Crisis in Sirte #3: Riptide - 8/6/85 - DAR (no Crossroads)

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:23 pm
by berto

TURN #7

In sending his Turn 7 moves, Crossroad had this to say:
Sometimes when it rains it pours.
To the center west, the Chieftain platoon does indeed blast the exposed BMP-1s (red circle, screenshot below), then slips away out of LOS.

To the center east, a British tank company lurches forward, in quick succession kills six T-72s and a platoon of Libyan scout cars (red circles), then retires out of LOS (in the general vicinity of the large yellow circle).

Some enemy scout cars flit by unexpectedly and disappear to the southeast (somewhere within the large white circle).

And of course my Hinds are now out of position to strike the only Chieftains now visible to me. [:(]

After Crossroads' Side A (British) move (Side A is the scenario's first side), the situation at the middle of Turn 7:

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It's raining; it's pouring.
The old man is snoring.
He went to bed and bumped his head,
And didn't wake up the next morning.


[8|]

RE: Crisis in Sirte #3: Riptide - 8/6/85 - DAR (no Crossroads)

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:03 pm
by berto

The Muslim Brotherhood is stirring up trouble, the Libyan populace is getting restless, and there are even rumors of a coup. The situation around Sirte had better improve right quick, else ...

RE: Crisis in Sirte #3: Riptide - 8/6/85 - DAR (no Crossroads)

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:46 pm
by berto

... else it's over. I have quit the game. I wrote to Crossroads:
berto

A heads-up: In my DAR, I am setting the stage for a resignation. Yes, it is that bad. There is little reason to play on any further.

When I play, I think of the larger context. With things going so badly, Col. Qaddafi, or at any rate his military commanders, must consider the consequences of destroying their armed forces, leaving them defenseless against foreign invasion (Egypt etc.), popular uprising, or military coup. If I were commanding the Libyan military, I would be thinking of peace at this point, or a cease fire, or at least a pull-back.

In any event, the battle (scenario) will soon be over most likely.

I will admit my mistakes freely in my post mortem.
How bad is it? Here is the Victory Dialog:

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And here (from the Strength Dialog) are the losses thus far:

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Even if I could manage to capture any one of the 150 VP Objective hexes -- highly doubtful -- chances are I would destroy most of my forces in the process. The British Lynx alone still have enough ATGMs to kill another 10 or so of my T-72s, I reckon. Then of course there are the Chieftain super tanks. Not to mention Crossroads' Milan ATGMs and other units. No, I know an impossible situation when I see one.

Could another more skillful player have done better, much better even? No doubt. I am skeptical that this scenario is winnable as the Libyans. But a player well versed in the art of modern warfare might make a good fight of it. I am not that player.

So let's recount my mistakes:

[*]Choosing to attack up the middle. With open ground, no real cover, little place to hide. And laying myself wide open to flanking attacks. Much better if I had attacked along the coastal approaches from west and east, for if nothing else I would not have to fear flank attacks from the north. And I would benefit from the LOS obstructing terrain before "Yorkshire" and "Bedfordshire".

[*]Mismanagement of my helos. And indecisiveness. My helos never really got into the fight.

[*]Impatience. I led with my tanks, where better if I had led with my infantry, with tanks just behind in close support. I also brought up my ZSU-23-4 SPAA Guns and AT-3 Sagger ATGMs too slowly.

And others. But maybe my biggest mistake of all:

[*]Heeding Crossroads' advice, I played half way through a practice game of Sirte #3 as the Libyans vs. the British A/I, to get the "feel of things". BUT, there is no helo A/I yet, remember? So in my practice game, the British Lynx were a total non factor. In the practice game, I also attacked up the middle. Things were going pretty well, actually. I was even able to destroy a couple of Chieftains, at the loss of just several of my T-72s. Of course, playing vs. the A/I teaches bad habits, however, and gives one a false sense of confidence. There is no substitute for playing vs. a good, experienced opponent, which Crossroads is in spades. (And he's the scenario designer to boot!) (Crossroads also encouraged me to play a practice game as the British, to better understand what I was up against. But I don't like to "cheat" in that way. I much more enjoy going into a scenario "blind".)

Ah well, a learning experience, a painful learning experience, an embarrassing if there ever was one.

Until the next time ... [8|]

RE: Crisis in Sirte #3: Riptide - 8/6/85 - DAR (no Crossroads)

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:19 am
by Big Ivan
berto,

There is no shame here, I thought you did your best.

Thanks for posting this AAR! Like the Crossroads one before it, I have enjoyed it and learned a few things in the process.

Cheers my friend!

Big Ivan[:)]

RE: Crisis in Sirte #3: Riptide - 8/6/85 - DAR (no Crossroads)

Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:33 am
by Crossroads
And so it ends. Thanks for the game Berto!
ORIGINAL: berto

Ah well, a learning experience, a painful learning experience, an embarrassing if there ever was one.

Until the next time ... [8|]

..and playing outside your comfort zone, with the 1980s hypotheticals era I am an unashamed fool for.

Learning experience? Perhaps, but embarrassment, never.With smaller battles like this one, there's less chances for recovery once things go bad. And my Brits certainly had the luck of the Irish with the St Patrick's day looming around, in those few key moments so far.

I'll write an After Action Report tomorrow, things were much more close than perhaps seen from the Libyan side. At least that's how it felt to me, so let us compare notes.

RE: Crisis in Sirte #3: Riptide - 8/6/85 - DAR (no Crossroads)

Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:38 am
by Crossroads
ORIGINAL: **budd**

Not much of a modern war guy myself, i feel your pain i got spanked by Crossroads and Jason. I think this scenario is where Crossroads put the spanking on me, not sure though because the VP's look slightly different.

Nope, not this one, so if you got spanked it was by Jason. He does that often, to everyone... We played 1. Prelude and 2. Bridgehead, you as Brits me a Gaddafi's henchmen. A Minor Win for you from the first one and a Draw from the second. [:)]

RE: Crisis in Sirte #3: Riptide - 8/6/85 - DAR (no Crossroads)

Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:29 am
by budd
ORIGINAL: Crossroads

ORIGINAL: **budd**

Not much of a modern war guy myself, i feel your pain i got spanked by Crossroads and Jason. I think this scenario is where Crossroads put the spanking on me, not sure though because the VP's look slightly different.

Nope, not this one, so if you got spanked it was by Jason. He does that often, to everyone... We played 1. Prelude and 2. Bridgehead, you as Brits me a Gaddafi's henchmen. A Minor Win for you from the first one and a Draw from the second. [:)]

It must of been #2 the draw. I remember being disappointed in my plan and execution, or course the statue of limitations on my memory is 30 days[;)]. Looking forward to you guys next go around, always learn something reading your AAR's, thank you.