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RE: Kaga enters service

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:47 am
by Grfin Zeppelin
A submarine ? Boise is a submarine ? Then you have nothing to fear from Japan. If they still have their historical attitude then they have also their historical ASW

RE: Kaga enters service

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:05 am
by Lovejoy
ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

ORIGINAL: adarbrauner

As one who's immersed in history almost every day, please give me leave that seeing Kaga, Kongo, Hyuge etc. again is at least painful...
I hope you dont live on Hawaii. They might be underway already.

Is it time for RIMPAC already?? I thought we still had to wait another year!

RE: Kaga enters service

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:44 am
by MakeeLearn
Just wait for their Godzilla Class Submarines,





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RE: Kaga enters service

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 10:36 am
by Revthought
ORIGINAL: Alpha77

Ah more profits for the military-industrial-bankster complex [>:] Look up Japans debt status - but Greece did also buy more weapons..as long the big companies and banks profit everything is fine [8|]

Endless creedyness of bankster onlyone example:

Banks Get Bailout Money, Then Give BILLIONS in Bonuses! Stock Market Insanity!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcRUUILVVlY

Don't listen to the haters. Haters going to hate. Just know you are not the only one here who thinks this way about military expenditure; that being said, there is truth in the axiom "know your audience." [:'(]

PS look at US debt. We owe about the same per person as Greece does, and what do we have to show for it? We have much bigger aircraft carriers and lots of antiquated ASMs.

RE: Kaga enters service

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:07 am
by Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: Dili

Sure a communist dictatorship that murdered millions of their own population...

Seems you are trying to push the discussion for political. If you got there you'll get answers you might not like.

Hear hear.

I get a chuckle out of newcomers on this forum that think that their political viewpoints are somehow novel, well-thought out or worthwhile discussing in a decidedly apolitical venue such as this. In spite of warnings from mods, they somehow think that they 'owe' this community their political views and they break the forum rules in order to explain to us what they believe. Right up until the point where the thread gets locked. Just so they can get their two bits in under the 'locked' wire. Poor behavior.

RE: Kaga enters service

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:08 am
by Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: Odin

That is a beautiful DESTROYER[:)]

Agreed. My first thought was like others': "How tidy and well-kempt. Nice lines."

RE: Kaga enters service

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:14 am
by btd64
ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Dili

Sure a communist dictatorship that murdered millions of their own population...

Seems you are trying to push the discussion for political. If you got there you'll get answers you might not like.

Hear hear.

I get a chuckle out of newcomers on this forum that think that their political viewpoints are somehow novel, well-thought out or worthwhile discussing in a decidedly apolitical venue such as this. In spite of warnings from mods, they somehow think that they 'owe' this community their political views and they break the forum rules in order to explain to us what they believe. Right up until the point where the thread gets locked. Just so they can get their two bits in under the 'locked' wire. Poor behavior.

+1. There are rules for a reason. They keeps things friendly[;)]....GP

RE: Kaga enters service

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:27 am
by Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: Revthought
it would take serious conversion work to just get it to support v-launch aircraft. It's not really designed in such a way for conversion to an actual carrier.

How so? What sort of conversion would be required for it to support others' F-35B VSTOL aircraft or even fly its own? I would venture that 'not much' effort would be required to do that, just as current USN LHAs can make that transition with limited effort.

RE: Kaga enters service

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:23 pm
by rustysi
ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Japan Navy

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Cute, where do I sign up.

RE: Kaga enters service

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:37 pm
by Lokasenna
ORIGINAL: adarbrauner

I don't like it at all. Japan's navy should ever never had to become that big and proud again under any circumstance.

Why? What are they gonna do, bomb Pearl Harbor?

RE: Kaga enters service

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:37 pm
by Lokasenna
ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Odin

That is a beautiful DESTROYER[:)]

Agreed. My first thought was like others': "How tidy and well-kempt. Nice lines."

It is a nice looking ship.

RE: Kaga enters service

Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:55 am
by Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: adarbrauner

I don't like it at all. Japan's navy should ever never had to become that big and proud again under any circumstance.

Why? What are they gonna do, bomb Pearl Harbor?

The Germans did that. Was it over when they bombed Pearl Harbor? NO!

RE: Kaga enters service

Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:12 am
by Grfin Zeppelin
ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: adarbrauner

I don't like it at all. Japan's navy should ever never had to become that big and proud again under any circumstance.

Why? What are they gonna do, bomb Pearl Harbor?

The Germans did that. Was it over when they bombed Pearl Harbor? NO!
Ummmm is it just me or did the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor ?

RE: Kaga enters service

Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:20 am
by Leandros

Funny how a (small) Japanese helicopter carrier has aroused (also negatively) attention of the crowd here...[&:]....As with the Germans, the US should be happy to have such a proficient partner as Japan when they're increasingly picking on both China and Russia. The former WW2 enemies were quickly taken into the warmth when the new post-war enemy, the Soviet Union, was created.

Interesting item in that respect: As NATO was established and Scandinavia became an important part of the NATO northern flank, German commanders of the former German occupying forces in Norway, in 1948 were called in for consultations on how to defend Northern Norway against the Soviets. Participating in these consultations were also Swedish and Finnish officers and politicians - all very hush-hush. Conclusion: If there was a Soviet invasion - Finnmark would have to be "burnt down" - as was done by the Germans during their withdrawal in 1944/45. Norwegian Labour Party politicians accepted that conclusion.

The present world situation is not unlike that of 1939/41 except in Asia China and Japan have switched places. Now it is China that threatens US hegemony in the East.

In Europe the situation is rather similar, but worse (for Russia). Like Hitler, NATO has seen to edge up to Russia's border, using Hitler's old partners Hungary, Romania, Finland and Bulgaria. In addition to that the "old" NATO partners Norway, Denmark and Turkey - and some new ones - Poland and the Baltic states. And a Sweden thinly disguised as "neutral".

What is all this for? Did not US/NATO promise not to expand eastwards after the end of the Cold War? How can Putin not react the way he does (if he has...?..).

What would have happened if Stalin had not taken Ribbentrop's bait after he was rejected on his (several) proposals to Britain and France for a coalition to stop Hitler's expansion plans, which gave Stalin an increased buffer zone in Poland? What would have happened if Stalin had not occupied the Baltics before the German attack? What would have happened if the Soviets had not seen to increase the Leningrad buffer zone towards the Finnish border? As a compensation the Finns were offered twice the area along other parts of the common border line. The Finns refused to see the implications of Hitler's aggressive stand (which was open to see for anybody in his testament - the book Mein Kampf). The Finns are on the same route now, howling along with the West's propaganda choir against Russia. They, of all (and Poland), should have learnt - that there is no help to get from the West when the shit hits the fan. And now - Ukraina!

Has this anything to do with "Kaga"..? Of course, it's all part of the same game.

I had hopes for Donald Trump as he was the only (as far as I know) US leader that openly declared that he would normalize relations with Russia. Everything else are minor details compared with this - nuclear war is on the horizon. Unfortunately, President Trump does not seem to be able to stand up against the solid front of US politicians that want the opposite - an open conflict with Russia. Europe is the one that shall suffer.

Fred

RE: Kaga enters service

Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:04 am
by Odin
ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna




Why? What are they gonna do, bomb Pearl Harbor?

The Germans did that. Was it over when they bombed Pearl Harbor? NO!
Ummmm is it just me or did the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor ?

Hmm....i ever wonder why grandfather ever avoided to tell me were he was on December 7.[:D]

RE: Kaga enters service

Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:59 am
by adarbrauner
ORIGINAL: Leandros


Funny how a (small) Japanese helicopter carrier has aroused (also negatively) attention of the crowd here...[&:]....As with the Germans, the US should be happy to have such a proficient partner as Japan when they're increasingly picking on both China and Russia. The former WW2 enemies were quickly taken into the warmth when the new post-war enemy, the Soviet Union, was created.

Interesting item in that respect: As NATO was established and Scandinavia became an important part of the NATO northern flank, German commanders of the former German occupying forces in Norway, in 1948 were called in for consultations on how to defend Northern Norway against the Soviets. Participating in these consultations were also Swedish and Finnish officers and politicians - all very hush-hush. Conclusion: If there was a Soviet invasion - Finnmark would have to be "burnt down" - as was done by the Germans during their withdrawal in 1944/45. Norwegian Labour Party politicians accepted that conclusion.

The present world situation is not unlike that of 1939/41 except in Asia China and Japan have switched places. Now it is China that threatens US hegemony in the East.

In Europe the situation is rather similar, but worse (for Russia). Like Hitler, NATO has seen to edge up to Russia's border, using Hitler's old partners Hungary, Romania, Finland and Bulgaria. In addition to that the "old" NATO partners Norway, Denmark and Turkey - and some new ones - Poland and the Baltic states. And a Sweden thinly disguised as "neutral".

What is all this for? Did not US/NATO promise not to expand eastwards after the end of the Cold War? How can Putin not react the way he does (if he has...?..).

What would have happened if Stalin had not taken Ribbentrop's bait after he was rejected on his (several) proposals to Britain and France for a coalition to stop Hitler's expansion plans, which gave Stalin an increased buffer zone in Poland? What would have happened if Stalin had not occupied the Baltics before the German attack? What would have happened if the Soviets had not seen to increase the Leningrad buffer zone towards the Finnish border? As a compensation the Finns were offered twice the area along other parts of the common border line. The Finns refused to see the implications of Hitler's aggressive stand (which was open to see for anybody in his testament - the book Mein Kampf). The Finns are on the same route now, howling along with the West's propaganda choir against Russia. They, of all (and Poland), should have learnt - that there is no help to get from the West when the shit hits the fan. And now - Ukraina!

Has this anything to do with "Kaga"..? Of course, it's all part of the same game.

I had hopes for Donald Trump as he was the only (as far as I know) US leader that openly declared that he would normalize relations with Russia. Everything else are minor details compared with this - nuclear war is on the horizon. Unfortunately, President Trump does not seem to be able to stand up against the solid front of US politicians that want the opposite - an open conflict with Russia. Europe is the one that shall suffer.

Fred


See, you don't name big capitol warships with those names, just so, because, accidentally.

Of course the fact brings in itself a very deep meaning.

Think if you want, as a comparison, what would be the reaction if Germany launched a Bismarck big warship, or named Grossdetschland or Lehr a panzergrenadier regiment. (Odin and Grafin, please, keep the calm!)

Stupor, at its least (Putin would have jumped 2 feet on his seat).

If you asked in the street "what do you think about the names of the new Japanes warships, Kaga, Kongo, etc" that probaly would nor arise much of an interest,

but if you asked it in the US Department of the Navy, or in its Chinese counterpart, the question may have had more than a pair of eyebrushues rised.




Self difense can be implemented also by smaller means.

First of all, the issue started not in the straightest of the way, if would concede me, by "bypassing" the peace-surrender terms naming them "helicopter carriers";

more cold be said and written, also regarding China, the Communist Party and their role (positive only, for China and the world; think, history's perspective, what was China before, what it achieved for herself and its people, the stabilty and unity in last 70 years, facts relevant only without ideology bias,

but could it be re stated that "those who don't learn history are condemened to relive it"?

RE: Kaga enters service

Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:06 am
by Grfin Zeppelin
ORIGINAL: adarbrauner

ORIGINAL: Leandros


Funny how a (small) Japanese helicopter carrier has aroused (also negatively) attention of the crowd here...[&:]....As with the Germans, the US should be happy to have such a proficient partner as Japan when they're increasingly picking on both China and Russia. The former WW2 enemies were quickly taken into the warmth when the new post-war enemy, the Soviet Union, was created.

Interesting item in that respect: As NATO was established and Scandinavia became an important part of the NATO northern flank, German commanders of the former German occupying forces in Norway, in 1948 were called in for consultations on how to defend Northern Norway against the Soviets. Participating in these consultations were also Swedish and Finnish officers and politicians - all very hush-hush. Conclusion: If there was a Soviet invasion - Finnmark would have to be "burnt down" - as was done by the Germans during their withdrawal in 1944/45. Norwegian Labour Party politicians accepted that conclusion.

The present world situation is not unlike that of 1939/41 except in Asia China and Japan have switched places. Now it is China that threatens US hegemony in the East.

In Europe the situation is rather similar, but worse (for Russia). Like Hitler, NATO has seen to edge up to Russia's border, using Hitler's old partners Hungary, Romania, Finland and Bulgaria. In addition to that the "old" NATO partners Norway, Denmark and Turkey - and some new ones - Poland and the Baltic states. And a Sweden thinly disguised as "neutral".

What is all this for? Did not US/NATO promise not to expand eastwards after the end of the Cold War? How can Putin not react the way he does (if he has...?..).

What would have happened if Stalin had not taken Ribbentrop's bait after he was rejected on his (several) proposals to Britain and France for a coalition to stop Hitler's expansion plans, which gave Stalin an increased buffer zone in Poland? What would have happened if Stalin had not occupied the Baltics before the German attack? What would have happened if the Soviets had not seen to increase the Leningrad buffer zone towards the Finnish border? As a compensation the Finns were offered twice the area along other parts of the common border line. The Finns refused to see the implications of Hitler's aggressive stand (which was open to see for anybody in his testament - the book Mein Kampf). The Finns are on the same route now, howling along with the West's propaganda choir against Russia. They, of all (and Poland), should have learnt - that there is no help to get from the West when the shit hits the fan. And now - Ukraina!

Has this anything to do with "Kaga"..? Of course, it's all part of the same game.

I had hopes for Donald Trump as he was the only (as far as I know) US leader that openly declared that he would normalize relations with Russia. Everything else are minor details compared with this - nuclear war is on the horizon. Unfortunately, President Trump does not seem to be able to stand up against the solid front of US politicians that want the opposite - an open conflict with Russia. Europe is the one that shall suffer.

Fred


See, you don't name big capitol warships with those names, just so, because, accidentally.

Of course the fact brings in itself a very deep meaning.

Think if you want, as a comparison, what would be the reaction if Germany launched a Bismarck big warship, or named Grossdetschland or Lehr a panzergrenadier regiment. (Odin and Grafin, please, keep the calm!)

Stupor, at its least.


Self difense can be implemented also by smaller means.

First of all, the issue started not in the straightest of the way, if would concede me by "bypassing" the peace-surrender terms naming them "helicopter carriers";

more cold be said and written, also regarding China, the Communist Party and their role (positive only, for China and the world; think, history's perspective, what was China before, what it achieved for herself and its people, the stabilty and unity in last 70 years, facts relevant only without ideology bias,

but could it be re stated that "those who don't learn history are condemened to relive it"?
Just stop with this nonsense.

RE: Kaga enters service

Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:10 am
by adarbrauner
ok...

RE: Kaga enters service

Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:49 pm
by Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna




Why? What are they gonna do, bomb Pearl Harbor?

The Germans did that. Was it over when they bombed Pearl Harbor? NO!
Ummmm is it just me or did the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor ?

Clearly you haven't seen this scene from Animal House:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7vtWB4owdE

"This situation requires are really futile and stupid gesture. And we're the guys to do it." [:D]

RE: Kaga enters service

Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:06 pm
by Grfin Zeppelin
ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy




The Germans did that. Was it over when they bombed Pearl Harbor? NO!
Ummmm is it just me or did the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor ?

Clearly you haven't seen this scene from Animal House:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7vtWB4owdE

"This situation requires are really futile and stupid gesture. And we're the guys to do it." [:D]
Argh I know. My quote was the official unoffical reply to your quote but it isnt as widespread as I thought.
In short, I tried to be funny but failed. [:(]