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RE: Unternehmen Taifun Memoirs, by HardLuckYetAgain
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 8:00 pm
by HardLuckYetAgain
ORIGINAL: Sammy5IsAlive
In all of these games has anyone tried just abandoning the south very early on to concentrate on defending Moscow/Leningrad? Just using all of the rail capacity to move units to where they are needed in the North and leaving the industry in the South to its fate. Or do you think that would just be a defeatist move - perhaps avoiding a 10 turn blowout but guaranteeing defeat in 42 or at least stalemate from 43 onwards with the Russians holding out in a corner of the map but the Germans winning a big victory on points?
Excellent questions
I had no one totally abandon the south. I can't speak of my current game with Stelteck but I would venture to say he has some from the south from the Recon. I say this because I know what happened in a previous turn and not being privy to his AAR I don't know where he is in turns to say more.
The Soviet needs to both get units North and rail out industry for the long game. It is a knife edge you must walk and you "must" know how much you need and where to take it from. It can be done but boy it will make you want to kick the cat(or dog if you love cats and vice versa) when playing a good German.
RE: Unternehmen Taifun Memoirs, by HardLuckYetAgain
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 8:05 pm
by HardLuckYetAgain
ORIGINAL: bigbaba
thanks for this unique guide. although i find your arrow trick creepy.[:D] i am sure more then one opponent needed new panties after opening the turn and seeing the big black arrow.
It is just my notes on my game and happy to share with anyone that wants to use them. They aren't that much.
I could almost bet you any amount of money no one saw the arrow ;-P I had some pretty big ones in some of the games
RE: Unternehmen Taifun Memoirs, by HardLuckYetAgain
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 8:07 pm
by timmyab
It's quite a popular strategy especially with the stronger Soviet players.
Personally I like to make them fight for the South if possible whilst accepting the inevetable loss of Leningrad that usually entails. If Moscow was threatened though I'd strip the South in a flash and leave it to it's fate.
Lol at the recon pshyc ops. That would probably put me off my stroke because I'd think "There's no way he's going where the arrow is pointing"
The good old double bluff.
RE: Unternehmen Taifun Memoirs, by HardLuckYetAgain
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 8:12 pm
by HardLuckYetAgain
ALSO, to defend against an opening Moscow thrust turn 1 the Soviet "must" defend the area NW of Vitsbek. That area is so key to a defense of Moscow it is worth the units losses. I would put all of my Airborne in there to be honest. Those little buggers don't route easy!!!!!! Heck, they never route! Also garrison Velikie Luki, it is a must along with the clear hex below it.
If they can hold out to turn 6+ it will hold up rail conversion too, btw
RE: Unternehmen Taifun Memoirs, by HardLuckYetAgain
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 8:15 pm
by HardLuckYetAgain
ORIGINAL: timmyab
Lol at the recon pshyc ops. That would probably put me off my stroke because I'd think "There's no way he's going where the arrow is pointing"
The good old double bluff.
hehehehe, I really don't think anyone noticed. I believe most were in shock from opening up the turn ;-P Just my guess because I know I would be.
RE: Unternehmen Taifun Memoirs, by HardLuckYetAgain
Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:19 am
by Dinglir
You would certainly not get away with such a psy ops playing me, Hardluck.
I would instantly gahter all remaining Soviet recons in one area and respond by drawing a "smily face".
Just to teach you a lesson, that is...
RE: Unternehmen Taifun Memoirs, by HardLuckYetAgain
Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:57 am
by MrBlizzard
Impressive playing [8D]
Can you please post a screenshot with ground losses?
RE: Unternehmen Taifun Memoirs, by HardLuckYetAgain
Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:16 am
by Stelteck
ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
hehehehe, I really don't think anyone noticed. I believe most were in shock from opening up the turn ;-P Just my guess because I know I would be.
Loosing so much recon plane only to draw picture is so unprofessional [;)]
RE: Unternehmen Taifun Memoirs, by HardLuckYetAgain
Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:54 am
by HardLuckYetAgain
ORIGINAL: Dinglir
You would certainly not get away with such a psy ops playing me, Hardluck.
I would instantly gahter all remaining Soviet recons in one area and respond by drawing a "smily face".
Just to teach you a lesson, that is...
I would have such a happy day I would resign from said game Dinglir
P.S. Against my best friend playing Hotseat at his house back in 2011 I actually did a smiley face over his surrounded units. You should have seen his reaction. But I wouldnt do that against someone I dont know. Would be really bad form. Arrows are just fine ;-}
RE: Unternehmen Taifun Memoirs, by HardLuckYetAgain
Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:04 am
by HardLuckYetAgain
ORIGINAL: Stelteck
ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
hehehehe, I really don't think anyone noticed. I believe most were in shock from opening up the turn ;-P Just my guess because I know I would be.
Loosing so much recon plane only to draw picture is so unprofessional [;)]
Germans don't get many planes shot down. Why? Because the Soviets have good alcohol & some of the women are just freaking "beautiful". Why look up to shoot a German plane when you have them both, Alcohol and a Lady?
RE: Unternehmen Taifun Memoirs, by HardLuckYetAgain
Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:12 am
by HardLuckYetAgain
ORIGINAL: MrBlizzard
Impressive playing [8D]
Can you please post a screenshot with ground losses?
Sure, will 2 suffice? Here is the game that lasted the longest (these are turn 11 screenshots)
RE: Unternehmen Taifun Memoirs, by HardLuckYetAgain
Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:12 am
by HardLuckYetAgain
Here is the OOB for that game.
RE: Unternehmen Taifun Memoirs, by HardLuckYetAgain
Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:16 am
by HardLuckYetAgain
Here is another. Game turn 9
RE: Unternehmen Taifun Memoirs, by HardLuckYetAgain
Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:17 am
by HardLuckYetAgain
And the OOB for game turn 9 for above ground loses.
RE: Unternehmen Taifun Memoirs, by HardLuckYetAgain
Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:36 am
by HardLuckYetAgain
Please realize that both of these games still had "huge" pockets full of troops surrounded. Thus the effective Soviet Armys are even smaller than what is actually on those slides.
RE: Unternehmen Taifun Memoirs, by HardLuckYetAgain
Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:45 am
by HardLuckYetAgain
ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
ORIGINAL: Stelteck
You are going too fast with your propaganda, i'am still turn 4 in my accurate report of the situation [:D]
And we are only turn 8 IRL.
Plus you now know where I'm going. You have the benifit of 20/20 eyesite
Let me know when you get caught up to turn 8. I may add a few screen shots of the game. Thank you Stelteck!
RE: Unternehmen Taifun Memoirs, by HardLuckYetAgain
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:41 am
by GeneralfeldmarschallWalterModel
ORIGINAL: Sammy5IsAlive
In all of these games has anyone tried just abandoning the south very early on to concentrate on defending Moscow/Leningrad?
Just using all of the rail capacity to move units to where they are needed in the North and leaving the industry in the South
to its fate. Or do you think that would just be a defeatist move - perhaps avoiding a 10 turn blowout but guaranteeing defeat
in 42 or at least stalemate from 43 onwards with the Russians holding out in a corner of the map but the Germans winning a big
victory on points?
Looking at the map you don't need to move anything out of Leningrad for a long time as the north is never under any real pressure.
You have 42 units south of the marsh you do not need that can go to the center.
Industry in the south, you do not need anything west of the Dnepr. So that gives you more then enough time to clear Moscow 1st,
then the south long before Stalino is under pressure. Just checker board the south, leave 3 hexes between German forward units and start of 4 deep checker board. Infantry never really come in contact with front forces tanks to do all the work.
That will make sure industry is not going to be your down fall, but you still have to find a way to hold Moscow.
The recon picture adds a personal touch to your game HardLuckYet Again.
Nice AAR and over all game, congrats.
RE: Unternehmen Taifun Memoirs, by HardLuckYetAgain
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 12:33 pm
by HardLuckYetAgain
ORIGINAL: GeneralfeldmarschallWalterModel
ORIGINAL: Sammy5IsAlive
In all of these games has anyone tried just abandoning the south very early on to concentrate on defending Moscow/Leningrad?
Just using all of the rail capacity to move units to where they are needed in the North and leaving the industry in the South
to its fate. Or do you think that would just be a defeatist move - perhaps avoiding a 10 turn blowout but guaranteeing defeat
in 42 or at least stalemate from 43 onwards with the Russians holding out in a corner of the map but the Germans winning a big
victory on points?
Looking at the map you don't need to move anything out of Leningrad for a long time as the north is never under any real pressure.
You have 42 units south of the marsh you do not need that can go to the center.
Industry in the south, you do not need anything west of the Dnepr. So that gives you more then enough time to clear Moscow 1st,
then the south long before Stalino is under pressure. Just checker board the south, leave 3 hexes between German forward units and start of 4 deep checker board. Infantry never really come in contact with front forces tanks to do all the work.
That will make sure industry is not going to be your down fall, but you still have to find a way to hold Moscow.
The recon picture adds a personal touch to your game HardLuckYet Again.
Nice AAR and over all game, congrats.
I'm sure you realize that I'm playing Germany
You may want to post your tips in my opponents AAR write up. Thank you though.
RE: Unternehmen Taifun Memoirs, by HardLuckYetAgain
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:26 pm
by HardLuckYetAgain
ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
ORIGINAL: Stelteck
You are going too fast with your propaganda, i'am still turn 4 in my accurate report of the situation [:D]
And we are only turn 8 IRL.
Plus you now know where I'm going. You have the benifit of 20/20 eyesite
Let me know when you get caught up to turn 8. I may add a few screen shots of the game. Thank you Stelteck!
It has been four days since I posted this. I'm assuming Stelteck caught people up on the turns on his AAR and I will post a few Screenshots of 2nd PZ group up to the current turn. In all my games I was able to capture a pocket at Pskov since the Soviet would pull some units from here to reinforce the other sector that was just attacked. My workhorse PZ group the 2nd. The "G" man group if you will since their icon is a large G (at least in English it looks like a "G"). The prior turn 2nd Panzer had set up in the woods below Pskov. They are roaring and ready to go since my FBD needs to go through Pskov. (My truck situation and Admin Points all doing well) This pocket "has" to fall on turn 7 to keep the rail lines going forward.
RE: Unternehmen Taifun Memoirs, by HardLuckYetAgain
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:31 pm
by HardLuckYetAgain
Turn 7 I had to use 2nd PZ to eliminate the pocket. It just had to be done that way to keep the rail moving forward
The rail line is clear for conversion the next few turns.
