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RE: Advancements
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:44 am
by kennonlightfoot
So say I bomb your enemy land unit and you intercept. That interceptor will use A2A. The target land unit will use its AA
But if I bomb the interceptors airfield it will fight A2A then use its AA before you bomb.
That is how it works. The Air counter is basically a setup airfield with defenses. The defenses only work if that air fiend is targeted
That would seem to make Air Superiority Interceptors rather weak at intercepting depending on how the game actually calculates the combat. For example, a 1942 level Interceptor has an AC rating of 9 but a AA rating of only 3. If a similar enemy interceptor does an interception would that mean the attacker would use a factor of 9 against the defending interceptor's 3?
And, if I am following your airfield explanation correctly, if the attacker's Interceptors instead targeted the actual hex the enemy interceptor was placed in (airfield marker), it would have to fight twice. Once against the unit's AA and again against its AC?
RE: Advancements
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:57 am
by AlvaroSousa
Try and visualize it. You fly a raid to bomb an enemy airfield.
Their radar picks you up and sends up its fighters from that airfield.
It intercepts you and you fight air to air.
Now those bombers arrive at target damaged
The AA now fires from that air field
You bomb the airfield.
#1 bombers are weaker than air sups so they will get killed int he sky
#2 the defenders gets to shoot all his stuff before the attacker bombs.
#3 A2A ratings for bombers are not their bombing factors.
#4 Defending planes have it slightly better over their own territory. They spend 50% of the oil required. I also believe they convert damage to effectiveness slightly better for being over their own territory. I dont remember off the top of my head.
RE: Advancements
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:48 pm
by baloo7777
ORIGINAL: Alvaro Sousa
Try and visualize it. You fly a raid to bomb an enemy airfield.
Their radar picks you up and sends up its fighters from that airfield.
It intercepts you and you fight air to air.
Now those bombers arrive at target damaged
The AA now fires from that air field
You bomb the airfield.
#1 bombers are weaker than air sups so they will get killed int he sky
#2 the defenders gets to shoot all his stuff before the attacker bombs.
#3 A2A ratings for bombers are not their bombing factors.
#4 Defending planes have it slightly better over their own territory. They spend 50% of the oil required. I also believe they convert damage to effectiveness slightly better for being over their own territory. I dont remember off the top of my head.
So how did Germany almost destroy British airfields before they switched targets in the Battle of Britain? How were the Soviet planes destroyed on the ground in huge numbers (~4000 the first week) at the start of Barbarossa? How about the attack at Pearl destroying aircraft on the ground or the destruction of Germany's ability to send up aircraft over Normandy? It seems like you have made attacking an airfield a fool's errand by making the defender far too strong.
RE: Advancements
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:54 am
by kennonlightfoot
What I am having a problem sorting out is the AA factor assigned to Air Superiority and Ground Attack fighters.
When is the AA of these units used?
When they are attacked by air against their hex location (which is assumed to be an airfield)?
If I am following your explanation and there are no other improvements to the hex the air unit is in (no AA guns), then if a 1942 Interceptor attacked a 1942 Close Support air unit the battle would be:
Air Combat of 10 vs 5
Followed by AA round of ground's 3 AA factor against ? (the AC of 10? Something else?)
RE: Advancements
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:03 pm
by AlvaroSousa
air sup vs a bomber it is just the AA with no counter intercept.
Planes are not the issue. Planes are a dime a dozen. Pilots are the issue and the use of the airfield.
Germany has tens of thousands of a/c lying around in 1945. Their airforce was shattered.