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ORIGINAL: GetAssista

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: spence
Taking Portland will wipe out all future production but bombing damage can be repaired so the ships that aren't built until 1943+ can still be built (not that much gets built in 1942).

I thought any ships not yet arrived were announced as destroyed as soon as the arrival base was captured by the enemy?

witpqs, yes. Clean sheet, no more ships from that base. They all appear in the VP section as destroyed with half VPs awarded

Which is a LOT of VPs at Portland.

I was just saying that if you don't want to activate CONUS reinforcements you could land in Canada and bomb for VPs (not for ending production) and take your points and go home later without much cost.

ORIGINAL: obvert
I was just saying that if you don't want to activate CONUS reinforcements you could land in Canada and bomb for VPs (not for ending production) and take your points and go home later without much cost.

Man that is far easier said (or in this case, typed) than done.... knowing when to cut and run and still having the wherewithal to do it, that's not easy.

ORIGINAL: dr.hal

ORIGINAL: obvert
I was just saying that if you don't want to activate CONUS reinforcements you could land in Canada and bomb for VPs (not for ending production) and take your points and go home later without much cost.

Man that is far easier said (or in this case, typed) than done.... knowing when to cut and run and still having the wherewithal to do it, that's not easy.

Like the Bay of Bengal, the Gulf of Alaska and the Canadian WC forms a pocket that can be a trap if the enemy gains superiority at sea (including carrier air dominance). Then there is the logistics LOC distance and long road home for crippled IJ ships.

Because of all that, the appropriate strategy might be to drop off strong enough forces to do the damage and sail away, leaving them to their eventual fate. Buy-back of units makes that less painful - or you can hold back a few cadres for rebuilding.

And because the IJ can invade Canada so easily, I would insist on a house rule allowing US troops to cross the border without PP paid whenever Japan invades any base from Kodiak eastwards. It is unthinkable that the US would not have reacted as soon as the threat was seen.

There was an AAR wherein someone pulled off a surprise invasion of Portland (Jan 42 IIRC) and wiped out the shipyard there. Unless the Allied Player has his head "up and locked" in the early game it is pretty unlikely that this feat can be repeated. There are quite a few divisions nearby that are in the West Coast command that can make any such Japanese undertaking so expensive as to be not worth the effort.

I think that someone did that to a noob. I think that a couple of people tried the Allied side after that but it was difficult.

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
It is unthinkable that the US would not have reacted as soon as the threat was seen.

Hey, forget you hosers. You're on your own, eh? [;)]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
It is unthinkable that the US would not have reacted as soon as the threat was seen.

Hey, forget you hosers. You're on your own, eh? [;)]

Right. How many Japanese have ever seen a Canadian moose? Or grizzly bear? And then there is the c-c-cold weather.
The Japs couldn't pack up and leave fast enough. [;)]

ORIGINAL: dr.hal

ORIGINAL: obvert
I was just saying that if you don't want to activate CONUS reinforcements you could land in Canada and bomb for VPs (not for ending production) and take your points and go home later without much cost.

Man that is far easier said (or in this case, typed) than done.... knowing when to cut and run and still having the wherewithal to do it, that's not easy.

Not at all. Cut and run immediately with the ground troops that took the base. Leave a few naval guards in bases, engineers and a base force or two, plus some AA. Then bombs away.

In early 42 there aren't many good sweepers to clear a base like this, and even 4Es would have to face some tough CAP. Just something to try.