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RE: After WitE2...
Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:48 am
by TulliusDetritus
ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
I am surprised that they have not yet started on the latitude effect on the food production not to mention the length of the day for combat purposes. [8|]
There will always be unhappy people. From what I'm gathering German capabilities are more historical (as it should be). Leningrad was *always* captured in the first iteration of the game, now it seems the Wehrmacht might fail (as it should be). With all due respect but I understand this -and other obstacles courtesy of prosaic logistics- is a bitter pill to swallow for the Wehrmacht fanboys.
That's where modders should step in and deliver an Andy Mac's nasty mod (a Japanese on mega steroids mod in AE, for those who don't know the game).
RE: After WitE2...
Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:10 am
by loki100
ORIGINAL: RFalvo69
ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
ORIGINAL: RFalvo69
Meanwhile they are now in "Discovery Channel" territory.
I never knew that a debate about the impact of climate on the quality of grass as food for horses could be so interesting. An informed opinion on the matter requires an unusually high level of knowledge it would seem. [:D]
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My comment, post #45:
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I am surprised that they have not yet started on the latitude effect on the food production not to mention the length of the day for combat purposes. [8|]
Maybe I should throw that into the discussion . . . [:-]
Since today is April, 1st, I got an idea! Let's airdrop Bob down there. Next, we start a thread about "OOBs in Eastern Front Scenarios for TOAW4 and their impact on realism". Then we run all back here and watch what happens from afar... [8D]
please don't ... I'm a mod in that forum and it would be really cruel [;)]
But I'm with RangerJoe, its time to talk latitude, crop patterns and the impact on the biomass of domesticated animals (and the vagaries of Soviet agriculture)
edit - actually the game does model length of day for setting the effectiveness of air interdiction missions (don't say it skimps on the details)
RE: After WitE2...
Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:20 am
by RangerJoe
ORIGINAL: loki100
ORIGINAL: RFalvo69
ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
My comment, post #45:
fb.asp?m=4993382
I am surprised that they have not yet started on the latitude effect on the food production not to mention the length of the day for combat purposes. [8|]
Maybe I should throw that into the discussion . . . [:-]
Since today is April, 1st, I got an idea! Let's airdrop Bob down there. Next, we start a thread about "OOBs in Eastern Front Scenarios for TOAW4 and their impact on realism". Then we run all back here and watch what happens from afar... [8D]
please don't ... I'm a mod in that forum and it would be really cruel [;)]
But I'm with RangerJoe, its time to talk latitude, crop patterns and the impact on the biomass of domesticated animals (and the vagaries of Soviet agriculture)
edit - actually the game does model length of day for setting the effectiveness of air interdiction missions (don't say it skimps on the details)
We should encourage Bob to go over there! [:D]
But what I meant as far as the latitude and crops, more daylight means more growing time so the grass will grow more, hence more grass for the horses to eat as they are pulling wagon loads of heavy ammunition. You know, the grass that grows
on the roads for the horses to eat as they are working. [8|]
RE: After WitE2...
Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:36 am
by Lobster
ORIGINAL: loki100
ORIGINAL: RFalvo69
ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
My comment, post #45:
fb.asp?m=4993382
I am surprised that they have not yet started on the latitude effect on the food production not to mention the length of the day for combat purposes. [8|]
Maybe I should throw that into the discussion . . . [:-]
Since today is April, 1st, I got an idea! Let's airdrop Bob down there. Next, we start a thread about "OOBs in Eastern Front Scenarios for TOAW4 and their impact on realism". Then we run all back here and watch what happens from afar... [8D]
please don't ... I'm a mod in that forum and it would be really cruel [;)]
But I'm with RangerJoe, its time to talk latitude, crop patterns and the impact on the biomass of domesticated animals (and the vagaries of Soviet agriculture)
edit - actually the game does model length of day for setting the effectiveness of air interdiction missions (don't say it skimps on the details)
Ah, but they did skimp on details. Where are the vodka rules? Russians can't exist without vodka. It's not natural.
RE: After WitE2...
Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:06 pm
by RangerJoe
ORIGINAL: Lobster
ORIGINAL: loki100
ORIGINAL: RFalvo69
Since today is April, 1st, I got an idea! Let's airdrop Bob down there. Next, we start a thread about "OOBs in Eastern Front Scenarios for TOAW4 and their impact on realism". Then we run all back here and watch what happens from afar... [8D]
please don't ... I'm a mod in that forum and it would be really cruel [;)]
But I'm with RangerJoe, its time to talk latitude, crop patterns and the impact on the biomass of domesticated animals (and the vagaries of Soviet agriculture)
edit - actually the game does model length of day for setting the effectiveness of air interdiction missions (don't say it skimps on the details)
Ah, but they did skimp on details. Where are the vodka rules? Russians can't exist without vodka. It's not natural.
Maybe that is what the Germans referred to as the Russian "Korn" alcohol beverage.
RE: After WitE2...
Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:10 pm
by Curtis Lemay
ORIGINAL: RFalvo69
Since today is April, 1st, I got an idea! Let's airdrop Bob down there. Next, we start a thread about "OOBs in Eastern Front Scenarios for TOAW4 and their impact on realism". Then we run all back here and watch what happens from afar... [8D]
I don't know anything about it and I don't have time to learn. But if I were evaluating it I wouldn't be asking about minutia. I'd be asking about results. Was there a full playtest by experts prior to launch? And where is that AAR?
RE: After WitE2...
Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:26 pm
by RFalvo69
ORIGINAL: Lobster
ORIGINAL: loki100
ORIGINAL: RFalvo69
Since today is April, 1st, I got an idea! Let's airdrop Bob down there. Next, we start a thread about "OOBs in Eastern Front Scenarios for TOAW4 and their impact on realism". Then we run all back here and watch what happens from afar... [8D]
please don't ... I'm a mod in that forum and it would be really cruel [;)]
But I'm with RangerJoe, its time to talk latitude, crop patterns and the impact on the biomass of domesticated animals (and the vagaries of Soviet agriculture)
edit - actually the game does model length of day for setting the effectiveness of air interdiction missions (don't say it skimps on the details)
Ah, but they did skimp on details. Where are the vodka rules? Russians can't exist without vodka. It's not natural.
Time for a "water for the pasta" rule for when the Italians enter the fray [;)]
RE: After WitE2...
Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2021 2:55 pm
by MrsWargamer
ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay
ORIGINAL: RFalvo69
Since today is April, 1st, I got an idea! Let's airdrop Bob down there. Next, we start a thread about "OOBs in Eastern Front Scenarios for TOAW4 and their impact on realism". Then we run all back here and watch what happens from afar... [8D]
I don't know anything about it and I don't have time to learn. But if I were evaluating it I wouldn't be asking about minutia. I'd be asking about results. Was there a full playtest by experts prior to launch? And where is that AAR?
I think I'm with Curtis here. AARs or it isn't real
I'm likely going to be watching this, but this is a 1 year later purchase if ever.
RE: After WitE2...
Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2021 4:59 pm
by Zovs
ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay
ORIGINAL: RFalvo69
Since today is April, 1st, I got an idea! Let's airdrop Bob down there. Next, we start a thread about "OOBs in Eastern Front Scenarios for TOAW4 and their impact on realism". Then we run all back here and watch what happens from afar... [8D]
I don't know anything about it and I don't have time to learn. But if I were evaluating it I wouldn't be asking about minutia. I'd be asking about results. Was there a full playtest by experts prior to launch? And where is that AAR?
Yes there was and we can't show you the AAR, its forbidden, no soup for you.
RE: After WitE2...
Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2021 5:11 pm
by RFalvo69
ORIGINAL: Zovs
ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay
ORIGINAL: RFalvo69
Since today is April, 1st, I got an idea! Let's airdrop Bob down there. Next, we start a thread about "OOBs in Eastern Front Scenarios for TOAW4 and their impact on realism". Then we run all back here and watch what happens from afar... [8D]
I don't know anything about it and I don't have time to learn. But if I were evaluating it I wouldn't be asking about minutia. I'd be asking about results. Was there a full playtest by experts prior to launch? And where is that AAR?
Yes there was and we can't show you the AAR, its forbidden, no soup for you.
They boasted a lot about the new "weather system". My question is: is it stacked so that the Germans get a "superwinter" at the end of the first year? Because, if "no, it can happen but it is a possibility among many" then the Russians can only pray. But if "yes, no matter what, the first winter is a killer" then the Germans start with a key knowledge they couldn't possibly have in real life.
Also, I guess that Guderian will not be sacked if the Germans do retreat at the end of 1941 before the superwinter (unless they are really winning), form a sane line of defense against the Siberians' counterattack and hope for a better 1942. I.e. In both cases the Russians get the short stick.
RE: After WitE2...
Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2021 5:30 pm
by rustysi
Yes, but the crucial point was the annihilation of the Japanese naval air personnel.
This is somewhat of a misconception of the battle. While Japan did lose quite a number of mechanics, their pilot losses weren't as much as many think. According to
Shattered Sword, pilot losses were in the neighborhood of about 25%. Not insignificant, but certainly not a catastrophe.
RE: After WitE2...
Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:22 pm
by gamer78
War in the Pacific Admiral Edition remake. I'got the game 9 years ago and like the graphics but more modern interface and command structure would be excellent.
RE: After WitE2...
Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:29 pm
by Lobster
ORIGINAL: rustysi
Yes, but the crucial point was the annihilation of the Japanese naval air personnel.
This is somewhat of a misconception of the battle. While Japan did lose quite a number of mechanics, their pilot losses weren't as much as many think. According to
Shattered Sword, pilot losses were in the neighborhood of about 25%. Not insignificant, but certainly not a catastrophe.
Numbers vary but in excess of 200 pilots lost. 25% losses is not trivial and considering how urgently replacements were needed placing inexperienced pilots out there pressured the remaining experienced pilots. The loss of four carriers, all the aircraft and a large number of pilots...we all know the end to that story.
RE: After WitE2...
Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 4:35 pm
by Zovs
ORIGINAL: RFalvo69
ORIGINAL: Zovs
ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay
I don't know anything about it and I don't have time to learn. But if I were evaluating it I wouldn't be asking about minutia. I'd be asking about results. Was there a full playtest by experts prior to launch? And where is that AAR?
Yes there was and we can't show you the AAR, its forbidden, no soup for you.
They boasted a lot about the new "weather system". My question is: is it stacked so that the Germans get a "superwinter" at the end of the first year? Because, if "no, it can happen but it is a possibility among many" then the Russians can only pray. But if "yes, no matter what, the first winter is a killer" then the Germans start with a key knowledge they couldn't possibly have in real life.
Also, I guess that Guderian will not be sacked if the Germans do retreat at the end of 1941 before the superwinter (unless they are really winning), form a sane line of defense against the Siberians' counterattack and hope for a better 1942. I.e. In both cases the Russians get the short stick.
This was added:
3. Previously Undocumented Rule (was already in 1.00) - Axis units in heavy snow from December 1941 to March 1942 have their defensive CV modified as follows:
Dec 1941 - /2
Jan 1942 - /1.5
Feb 1942 - /1.33
This is reflected in the CV values shown on the map. In addition, once in combat, there are admin and land combat rating checks made. For each failed check, the defense value is modified an additional time. So a unit in Jan 1942 in heavy snow can have its CV divided by 1.5 up to 3 times if it fails both checks.
RE: After WitE2...
Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 7:21 pm
by IslandInland
WITE 2 replaces WITW as the greatest computer wargame ever made.
Everyone who loves wargames should buy it and be thankful it even exists.
We need more of these games and the only way to ensure that is to buy the game.
RE: After WitE2...
Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 7:56 pm
by Lobster
ORIGINAL: IslandInland
WITE 2 replaces WITW as the greatest computer wargame ever made.
OMG. [8|] [:D]
If they had dumped the 'combat as movement' fantasy I might have agreed.
Again, opinions and belly buttons, everyone has one. [;)]
RE: After WitE2...
Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:29 pm
by MrsWargamer
ORIGINAL: IslandInland
WITE 2 replaces WITW as the greatest computer wargame ever made.
Everyone who loves wargames should buy it and be thankful it even exists.
We need more of these games and the only way to ensure that is to buy the game.
Hmm I'd need for Gary to take me out to dinner before he gets THAT much love
RE: After WitE2...
Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:31 pm
by IslandInland
ORIGINAL: Lobster
ORIGINAL: IslandInland
WITE 2 replaces WITW as the greatest computer wargame ever made.
OMG. [8|] [:D]
If they had dumped the 'combat as movement' fantasy I might have agreed.
Again, opinions and belly buttons, everyone has one. [;)]
I don't follow your tweets/Insta/FB or read your posts so I've no idea what you mean by this.
RE: After WitE2...
Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 11:14 pm
by IslandInland
ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer
ORIGINAL: IslandInland
WITE 2 replaces WITW as the greatest computer wargame ever made.
Everyone who loves wargames should buy it and be thankful it even exists.
We need more of these games and the only way to ensure that is to buy the game.
Hmm I'd need for Gary to take me out to dinner before he gets THAT much love
You'd be too busy with all the other wargame devs taking you out.*
*Out on the town. Not in a Goodfellas/Godfather/Scarface sense. [:)]
RE: After WitE2...
Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 11:22 pm
by Lobster
ORIGINAL: IslandInland
ORIGINAL: Lobster
ORIGINAL: IslandInland
WITE 2 replaces WITW as the greatest computer wargame ever made.
OMG. [8|] [:D]
If they had dumped the 'combat as movement' fantasy I might have agreed.
Again, opinions and belly buttons, everyone has one. [;)]
I don't follow your tweets/Insta/FB or read your posts so I've no idea what you mean by this.
BTW, I don't FB, Insta except for instant coffee nor tweet even to the birds. [:D][:D][:D]