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RE: "Butch O'hare and the Japanese 7.7mm vs .50 cal
Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 5:03 pm
by Rusty1961
ORIGINAL: Ambassador
Guys,
Can’t you stay civil and polite, at least ? And drop the nazi and commie accusations ?
Sure, when he stop say,"Sieg Heil" I will. You cool with his Nazi comments? I see you said nothing about that.
RE: "Butch O'hare and the Japanese 7.7mm vs .50 cal
Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 5:04 pm
by Rusty1961
ORIGINAL: USSAmerica
RJ, please leave this troll alone. Interacting with him only makes you look bad as well. Use the very handy Ignore button on him. Click the little green circle next to one of his posts and he no longer exists! [8D]
"bugger off"? You started it.
RE: "Butch O'hare and the Japanese 7.7mm vs .50 cal
Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 5:05 pm
by Rusty1961
ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
ORIGINAL: Rusty1961
ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
You must be an expert on saluting Hitler. As far as the latter goes, why don't you ask them?
Hagel zum Frauleins!
Dear Mr. Commie, with the whore commie avatar well known for spreading her legs for all of STAVKA...you salute Hitler. Why Matrix tolerates your pro-Nazi comment makes me wonder about Matrix.
You know that she was a whore? Please provide a link or better yet, post the pictures that you have with her and you.
So you call me a Commie and a Nazi in the same breath. [:-]
Hagel zum Lauri Allan Törni! Iron Cross, 2nd class and others.
Of course you post a pic of a member of the WAFFEN SS.
You are disgusting.
RE: "Butch O'hare and the Japanese 7.7mm vs .50 cal
Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 5:50 pm
by Dan1977
Rusty & RJ,
Can you both stop this bad line of back & forth? I doubt either of you is going to win the other over with your "arguments", please agree to disagree.
RE: "Butch O'hare and the Japanese 7.7mm vs .50 cal
Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:22 pm
by Rusty1961
ORIGINAL: Ambassador
Guys,
Can’t you stay civil and polite, at least ? And drop the nazi and commie accusations ?
So when he says,"Sieg Heil" we're good with that; if I call him out on the Nazi slogan a line has been crossed.
You're moral compass is really messed up.
RE: "Butch O'hare and the Japanese 7.7mm vs .50 cal
Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:23 pm
by Rusty1961
ORIGINAL: Dan1977
Rusty & RJ,
Can you both stop this bad line of back & forth? I doubt either of you is going to win the other over with your "arguments", please agree to disagree.
I posted a legitimate question...he trolled.
RE: "Butch O'hare and the Japanese 7.7mm vs .50 cal
Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:14 pm
by Ambassador
ORIGINAL: USSAmerica
RJ, please leave this troll alone. Interacting with him only makes you look bad as well. Use the very handy Ignore button on him. Click the little green circle next to one of his posts and he no longer exists! [8D]
Yeah, all hail the green button !
RE: "Butch O'hare and the Japanese 7.7mm vs .50 cal
Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:00 pm
by RangerJoe
Hail to Lauri Allan Törni. He was a green something but not a button. He was presented with a Cross of Mannerheim, among other decorations, plus the Iron Cross, Second Class.
"Vårt land, vårt land, vårt fosterland,
Ljud högt, o dyra ord!
Ej lyfts en höjd mot himlens rand,
Ej sänks en dal, ej sköljs en strand,
Mer älskad än vår bygd i nord,
Än våra fäders jord. "
Here is his picture after he graduated from officer school the
first time.
RE: "Butch O'hare and the Japanese 7.7mm vs .50 cal
Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:01 pm
by RangerJoe
Hail to this unit, which was at Dachau for a time:
RE: "Butch O'hare and the Japanese 7.7mm vs .50 cal
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 11:25 pm
by rustysi
ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
Hail to this unit, which was at Dachau for a time:
Um, IIRC that patch was the original shoulder patch for the U.S. 45th ID. They subsequently replaced it with their 'Thunderbird' patch, once the Nazi's came to power.
RE: "Butch O'hare and the Japanese 7.7mm vs .50 cal
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:02 am
by RangerJoe
Hagel zu den Donnervögeln!
RE: "Butch O'hare and the Japanese 7.7mm vs .50 cal
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:40 am
by Sardaukar
Well, when it comes to Törni, he was adamant anti-bolshevik...but Nazi he was not, while even doing stint in Waffen-SS.
He didn't like German formal military discipline and there were no vacancies in Wiking division's Finnish battalion that time, so he returned to Finland. So he never really served in Wiking division.
But to original topic...it is kind of moot point if someone is hit into head with 7.7mm or .50...latter is just more messy sight...
RE: "Butch O'hare and the Japanese 7.7mm vs .50 cal
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:44 am
by Sardaukar
ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
Hail to this unit, which was at Dachau for a time:
There is this movie made about 45th Division, watched it in Netflix, it is pretty good:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9308682/
Pretty strange looking first, animation over real actors...but it's good.
RE: "Butch O'hare and the Japanese 7.7mm vs .50 cal
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:59 am
by tolsdorff
ORIGINAL: Sardaukar
Well, when it comes to Törni, he was adamant anti-bolshevik...but Nazi he was not, while even doing stint in Waffen-SS.
sight...
Many Waffen-SS soldiers had not much to do with being Nazis at all, there is a lot of post-war propaganda to that effect, I guess especially so in the US.
In Molenschot near where I live, an extremely poor village during and before world war 2, there were 3 18-year-old kids from a family called Kreeft, (dutch for lobster) that joined the Waffen-SS as well. The sole reason being, there was literally not enough food on the table to feed everyone, families were large back then, 8-12 children. Life was unimaginably more harder then it is today.
1 returned after the war, 2 were missing and presumed dead. These 2 were however actually found in the 80's in the Soviet Union. After captivity, remembering the extreme poverty in the Netherlands, they each married a soviet woman and choose to stay in the Soviet Union for the rest of their lives.
RE: "Butch O'hare and the Japanese 7.7mm vs .50 cal
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:10 am
by RangerJoe
ORIGINAL: tolsdorff
ORIGINAL: Sardaukar
Well, when it comes to Törni, he was adamant anti-bolshevik...but Nazi he was not, while even doing stint in Waffen-SS.
sight...
Many Waffen-SS soldiers had not much to do with being Nazis at all, there is a lot of post-war propaganda to that effect, I guess especially so in the US.
In Molenschot near where I live, an extremely poor village during and before world war 2, there were 3 18-year-old kids from a family called Kreeft, (dutch for lobster) that joined the Waffen-SS as well. The sole reason being, there was literally not enough food on the table to feed everyone, families were large back then, 8-12 children. Life was unimaginably more harder then it is today.
1 returned after the war, 2 were missing and presumed dead. These 2 were however actually found in the 80's in the Soviet Union. After captivity, remembering the extreme poverty in the Netherlands, they each married a soviet woman and choose to stay in the Soviet Union for the rest of their lives.
Which is one reason why Torni went to Germany after Finland signed a peace treaty with the Soviet Union.
RE: "Butch O'hare and the Japanese 7.7mm vs .50 cal
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:22 am
by RangerJoe
ORIGINAL: Sardaukar
Well, when it comes to Törni, he was adamant anti-bolshevik...but Nazi he was not, while even doing stint in Waffen-SS.
He didn't like German formal military discipline and there were no vacancies in Wiking division's Finnish battalion that time, so he returned to Finland. So he never really served in Wiking division.
But to original topic...it is kind of moot point if someone is hit into head with 7.7mm or .50...latter is just more messy sight...
Lauri Allan Törni changed his name to Larry Alan Thorne and joined the US Army. He taught some things to his fellow soldiers. While he was a Sissi in the Finnish Army he became a Green Beret. (I would not ask him for cookies . . . [X(]) He was awarded a Bronze Star with a "V" device, a Purple Heart with a cluster, and postumously the Legion of Merit and the Distinguished Flying Cross while also being promoted to major.
His home was stolen by the Soviet Union when they took Viipuri.
RE: "Butch O'hare and the Japanese 7.7mm vs .50 cal
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:13 am
by Sardaukar
ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
ORIGINAL: Sardaukar
Well, when it comes to Törni, he was adamant anti-bolshevik...but Nazi he was not, while even doing stint in Waffen-SS.
He didn't like German formal military discipline and there were no vacancies in Wiking division's Finnish battalion that time, so he returned to Finland. So he never really served in Wiking division.
But to original topic...it is kind of moot point if someone is hit into head with 7.7mm or .50...latter is just more messy sight...
Lauri Allan Törni changed his name to Larry Alan Thorne and joined the US Army. He taught some things to his fellow soldiers. While he was a Sissi in the Finnish Army he became a Green Beret. (I would not ask him for cookies . . . [X(]) He was awarded a Bronze Star with a "V" device, a Purple Heart with a cluster, and postumously the Legion of Merit and the Distinguished Flying Cross while also being promoted to major.
His home was stolen by the Soviet Union when they took Viipuri.
He did manage to get convicted of treason too, understandably government had dim view about someone serving for country we happened to be war with...Germany that is. [:'(]
He had gone to Germany to get training for possible resistance movement if Soviets had occupied Finland.
Very interesting person indeed.
RE: "Butch O'hare and the Japanese 7.7mm vs .50 cal
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:21 am
by RangerJoe
ORIGINAL: Sardaukar
ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
ORIGINAL: Sardaukar
Well, when it comes to Törni, he was adamant anti-bolshevik...but Nazi he was not, while even doing stint in Waffen-SS.
He didn't like German formal military discipline and there were no vacancies in Wiking division's Finnish battalion that time, so he returned to Finland. So he never really served in Wiking division.
But to original topic...it is kind of moot point if someone is hit into head with 7.7mm or .50...latter is just more messy sight...
Lauri Allan Törni changed his name to Larry Alan Thorne and joined the US Army. He taught some things to his fellow soldiers. While he was a Sissi in the Finnish Army he became a Green Beret. (I would not ask him for cookies . . . [X(]) He was awarded a Bronze Star with a "V" device, a Purple Heart with a cluster, and postumously the Legion of Merit and the Distinguished Flying Cross while also being promoted to major.
His home was stolen by the Soviet Union when they took Viipuri.
He did manage to get convicted of treason too, understandably government had dim view about someone serving for country we happened to be war with...Germany that is. [:'(]
He had gone to Germany to get training for possible resistance movement if Soviets had occupied Finland.
Very interesting person indeed.
I understand about the treason, he was caught in Germany with no job. But he never fought
against Finland itself.
Nor did anyone turn him in for the reward that the Soviets offered during the Continuation War. Three million Finnmarks which at that time was worth between 500k and 1 million USD but probably around 750k USD.
Here is a song about him with the written lyrics in English and Suomeksi.
Sabaton - Soldier of 3 Armies Lyrics (English & Suomeksi)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI-awVI5wEw
Here is a video about him:
Larry Thorne: The Many Wars of the Phoenix Soldier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt_keFwAi0g
RE: "Butch O'hare and the Japanese 7.7mm vs .50 cal
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:29 pm
by dwesolick
Somewhat along these lines, I watched "1944" a few months back with my sons and I highly recommend it. Covers the Soviet push through the Baltics, Estonia particularly, and focuses on the divided loyalty of Estonians (some fighting on the German side others on the Russian). NOT a Hollywood production so it was pretty faithful to the actual history and we watched it in Estonian (with subtitles). Combat scenes were quite intense and well done.
RE: "Butch O'hare and the Japanese 7.7mm vs .50 cal
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:47 pm
by rustysi
ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
Hagel zu den Donnervögeln!
BTW, since I don't speak German I'd appreciate a translation.[&:]