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RE: 3:00 a.m
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:43 am
by Hanny
ORIGINAL: daft
ORIGINAL: Hanny
ORIGINAL: Light4bettor
Hey Hanny,
First I have heard of this incident, any sources that I can read up on it? Not doubting you, but I'm surprised I never heard about it.
Online try a search for German sabotage team Brandunberger 800, it’s a Russian link with IK-PTZ RU in it, in book form F Kurowoski ( his other books are also excellent, perhaps the best for first hand accounts in his many books) has it in the Division history, The Brandenburgers Commandoes, German elite warrior spies,
I'm not going to argue you point, but be very wary with Kurowski.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af59LYC8BFs
https://www.academia.edu/37429738/The_W ... wski_2018_
But he is no Paul Carrel tho is he, nor is a Spielberger or Jentz for different reasons, but if you know of an authors works with more first hand accounts from German participants, I’d love to know about them.
Ta for the links.
RE: 3:00 a.m
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:51 am
by daft
ORIGINAL: Hanny
ORIGINAL: daft
ORIGINAL: Hanny
Online try a search for German sabotage team Brandunberger 800, it’s a Russian link with IK-PTZ RU in it, in book form F Kurowoski ( his other books are also excellent, perhaps the best for first hand accounts in his many books) has it in the Division history, The Brandenburgers Commandoes, German elite warrior spies,
I'm not going to argue you point, but be very wary with Kurowski.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af59LYC8BFs
https://www.academia.edu/37429738/The_W ... wski_2018_
But he is no Paul Carrel tho is he, nor is a Spielberger or Jentz for different reasons, but if you know of an authors works with more first hand accounts from German participants, I’d love to know about them.
Ta for the links.
Not overloaded with first hand accounts, but the later Glantz books are good, especially his "trilogy" on Stalingrad.
David Stahel's books are also well worth a read. Especially his Soldoers of Barbarossa if you want first hand accounts.
RE: 3:00 a.m
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:56 am
by Templer_12
ORIGINAL: Hanny
ORIGINAL: Templer_12
The pizza delivery service is on the alert.
There's beer in the fridge.
Nibbles are on the desk.
Knuckle of pork with sauerkraut for dinner during the break in combat on the stove.
Corona locked out - all that is missing is...
A hot looking women?.........
You'd have to think about it. At least she would be less complicated than WitE 2. [:D]
RE: 3:00 a.m
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:12 am
by teddybbeer
ORIGINAL: Hanny
wiki is not a reliable source, you would have been taught this at school and told not to use it as a cite.
In this case for the following reasons, wiki relates only post Declaration of war activity by Finnish units, so does not cover any pre war activity, for that you need to look at German 1941 acounts in which Abwehr equips 100 Officers and OR with Russian uniforms, coms and other equipment and employs them pre war, is sends them in two groups pre war from from Pellingi Island to Kumna Bay, one group is spotted and turns back, they later parachute in after war is declared and operate in Augviidu Tallinn, Narva regions.
I do like the notion that Nazi propaganda was so far forward looking tho.
Its Kurtna bay and Aegviidu.. thats nowhere near to neighter Tallinn or Narva (well ~50kms from Tallinn.. [:)]). Unfortunately most of the information about Erna group are in estonian language and i have still less then 10 posts so i cannot post pictures/links, so directing to wikipedia seemed obvious. It is you dear sir who have been fallen victim of Soviet propaganda [:D]
... less than hour to go?
RE: 3:00 a.m
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:13 am
by Speedysteve
ORIGINAL: Templer_12
ORIGINAL: Hanny
ORIGINAL: Templer_12
The pizza delivery service is on the alert.
There's beer in the fridge.
Nibbles are on the desk.
Knuckle of pork with sauerkraut for dinner during the break in combat on the stove.
Corona locked out - all that is missing is...
A hot looking women?.........
You'd have to think about it. At least she would be less complicated than WitE 2. [:D]
LOL.....there's no certainty in that [;)]
RE: 3:00 a.m
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:16 am
by Nix77
ORIGINAL: Hanny
ORIGINAL: teddybbeer
ORIGINAL: Hanny
Feb 28 Army and Abwehr conference as to how to get the intel it he Army wanted, frame work of submissive operations worked out.Example 1 June 100 Estonians in Russian uniforms, walli 1 was AG North, in operation Erna were deployed from Finland to the Baltic states,
Well this is pure propaganda.
Wikipedia has some general information cant link it propely before 10th post [&:], numbers are little off but total 60 men were parachuted in (between 21.07 and 28.07) or by seaborne operation (10.07). All men had finnish uniforms and finnish weapons.
wiki is not a reliable source, you would have been taught this at school and told not to use it as a cite.
In this case for the following reasons, wiki relates only post Declaration of war activity by Finnish units, so does not cover any pre war activity, for that you need to look at German 1941 acounts in which Abwehr equips 100 Officers and OR with Russian uniforms, coms and other equipment and employs them pre war, is sends them in two groups pre war from from Pellingi Island to Kumna Bay, one group is spotted and turns back, they later parachute in after war is declared and operate in Augviidu Tallinn, Narva regions.
I do like the notion that Nazi propaganda was so far forward looking tho.
The Estonian sites date the Operation Erna to July, and there are no mentions about Soviet uniforms:
http://www.estonica.org/en/Erna_group_a ... attalions/
Any pre-war activity from Pellinki island would probably be documented by the Finns, but can't really find any such documents.
You're absolutely right about Wiki not being a reliable source (I was once reading the wiki article about Iron Maiden, and at that moment it was an Italian rock band with Vince Rhames as the lead vocalist). But it's also difficult to decide which sources to trust since any propaganda can be nullified with some more counter-propaganda
But anyway, since this is the release discussion thread, I was wandering what might be the difference between Mud and Heavy Mud in inches and is the ratio of clay to sand in the Ukraine being tracked in the game?
PS. Really excited about the release! Clicking refresh relentlessly on the product page! Huge thanks for the whole development team!
RE: 3:00 a.m
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:32 am
by ranknfile
ORIGINAL: Nix77
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Clicking refresh relentlessly on the product page!
You should try not to be so impatient ....
.... I just happened to be passing by, that's all...
... however, perhaps I'll stick around for a bit.
RE: 3:00 a.m
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:38 am
by Aurelian
10:36am here in Pennslyvania... T-24 minutes.
RE: 3:00 a.m
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:40 am
by Hanny
ORIGINAL: Templer_12
ORIGINAL: Hanny
ORIGINAL: Templer_12
The pizza delivery service is on the alert.
There's beer in the fridge.
Nibbles are on the desk.
Knuckle of pork with sauerkraut for dinner during the break in combat on the stove.
Corona locked out - all that is missing is...
A hot looking women?.........
You'd have to think about it. At least she would be less complicated than WitE 2. [:D]
Maybe I might have to think about, but then I’m an old fart, of course she won’t have a volume control or an off switch, 2 very bad bugs in the Eve model......
RE: 3:00 a.m
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:42 am
by Firebri
It's 14:40 here in the UK lol
RE: 3:00 a.m
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:42 am
by ranknfile
ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins
Hi folks, I've checked in with the production and marketing teams today as we finalize everything with the store setup and do our last QA steps. The most likely release timing is around 11AM US Eastern time / 3PM UK time tomorrow. Obviously that is dependent on many factors but that's our best guess at this point.
I think by "best guess" what Mr. Rutins meant was "this is the definite time of release, hold me to it, if it doesn't come to pass feel free to storm my castle with pitchforks and torches."
RE: 3:00 a.m
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:52 am
by Uriah
Now 10.50pm 25/3 here in Western Australia. Looks like a 26/3 delivery for me. But it gives me time to read the rules again in bed (all 500 odd pages) and then rise tomorrow to begin the onslaught. No doubt to restart in a few hours when I realise I have done everything wrong.
RE: 3:00 a.m
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:53 am
by Templer_12
ORIGINAL: Firebri
It's 14:40 here in the UK lol
Since January 1st, 2021 things have been going differently over there on your island.
Relax, make yourself a cup of tea, dust off your Prince Charles portraits, water your roses... [:D]
RE: 3:00 a.m
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:58 am
by Walloc
ORIGINAL: Hanny
But he is no Paul Carrel tho is he, nor is a Spielberger or Jentz for different reasons, but if you know of an authors works with more first hand accounts from German participants, I’d love to know about them.
Ta for the links.
When people like Roman Töppel tells you some thing, i would listen.
To quote from Wiki:
Former soldiers interviewed by Kurowski for his books noted that their accounts, as published, contained considerable distortion and embellishments and in many instances non-existent. One soldier, Rolf Kliemann, suggested improvements to Kurowski but these were ignored. Kliemann stated that "Kurowski just filled the facts with fanciful tales..."[34]
RE: 3:00 a.m
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:00 pm
by Erik Rutins
We're very close to setting the release live...
RE: 3:00 a.m
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:01 pm
by Remmes
Ready to download: bring it on!
RE: 3:00 a.m
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:03 pm
by dudefan
where is it
i want it
RE: 3:00 a.m
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:04 pm
by ranknfile
I'm all "tingly" - soon I will be 66 years old, yet I'm as excited as a "yute" on Christmas Day!
RE: 3:00 a.m
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:05 pm
by gekkoguy35
F5! F5! F5!
RE: 3:00 a.m
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:06 pm
by Remmes
ORIGINAL: ranknfile
I'm all "tingly" - soon I will be 66 years old, yet I'm as excited as a "yute" on Christmas Day!
That reminds me of stories I read about German soldiers feeling the jitters with the clock ticking towards 0315 am...waiting for the opening artillery barrage to start Barbarossa.