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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome

Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:21 pm
by HardLuckYetAgain
Turn 1

South Front

4th attack more air units loses + more than 10-1 to cause no delay from a hasty attack. Plus bombing during the air phase to get rid of the fighters is paying off now as Russian bombers are flying Ground Support unescourted. I am looking for easy wins for Exp and Morale for my fighters.

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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome

Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:26 pm
by HardLuckYetAgain
Turn 1

South Front

5th attack more air units loses + more than 10-1 to cause no delay from a hasty attack. This fourth attack is important because the FBD rail repair will be going through this hex for repair. Thus having no delay here helps.

6th attack herds the units to one nice stack. This attack caused 1 point of delay but does not matter here because I will not be using it for heavy traffic throughput.

Just a note here I go out of my way to destroy all the front line forts on turn one. That way I don't have to deal with them turn 2.

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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome

Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:38 pm
by HardLuckYetAgain
Turn 1

Running Air loses after the 6th attack in previous post.


10 more German Loses

for

354 Soviet loses

so far added to the running total of;


85 German total
to
2930 Soviet Total



This will be updated continuously throughout the 1st turn commentary to end with the final air lose total for turn 1.

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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:01 am
by HardLuckYetAgain
Turn 1

South

Main moves in the South have been completed 95%. I still have to tidy up some areas & do some house keeping of moving units to new HQ's and depot building, etc, etc. But in essence this wont change much from where I am at in the South at the moment. Will post final South position at the end of turn 1.



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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:04 am
by HardLuckYetAgain
Turn 1

Air loss running total after South almost complete.

Currently at

90 German loses

to

3286 Soviet loses


Should end up ~3500-3600 Soviet total loses and 110ish for Germans is my estimate.

Starting Center moves now for a bit before going to bed.

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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:30 am
by HardLuckYetAgain
Turn 1

Center

Still a work in progress but will continue tomorrow when I am not falling down asleep. About 60% done for Center with most of the Center South done.

Notice that I push as many units as possible out of the border forts. I always did this in WITE1 and I continue to do this in WITE2.

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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:34 am
by HardLuckYetAgain
Turn 1

Center Air war continuation

Currently stand at

91 German Losses

to

3377 Soviet Losses

Now time to go to bed, thanks for reading and see you tomorrow.



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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:24 am
by devoncop
Thanks for the updates.

Am I right in assuming support units have been assigned to Corps level (excepting flak)... ?

I know Strategy Gaming Dojo favours this approach but I am aware several veteran players allocate them to Divisions.

RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:23 am
by CapAndGown
ORIGINAL: devoncop

Thanks for the updates.

Am I right in assuming support units have been assigned to Corps level (excepting flak)... ?

I know Strategy Gaming Dojo favours this approach but I am aware several veteran players allocate them to Divisions.

I cannot speak for HLYA, but generally players assign support units directly to Panzer and Motorized divisions that will be outrunning the Corps HQ during their movement and making a bunch of hasty attacks. (This is WitE 1 experience, which I believe translates to WitE2.) A unit making a hasty attack cannot be assigned support units from the Corps HQ if a) it is outside the support range of the HQ (5 hexes) or b) if the Corps HQ has moved. So after the first few hexes, the mobile division would no longer be receiving support. Generally, I assign an engineer battalion to Panzer divisions and Panzerjaeger and Sturmgeschutz battalions to motorized divisions. (In addition to self propelled flak units.)

RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:29 am
by devoncop
ORIGINAL: CapAndGown
ORIGINAL: devoncop

Thanks for the updates.

Am I right in assuming support units have been assigned to Corps level (excepting flak)... ?

I know Strategy Gaming Dojo favours this approach but I am aware several veteran players allocate them to Divisions.

I cannot speak for HLYA, but generally players assign support units directly to Panzer and Motorized divisions that will be outrunning the Corps HQ during their movement and making a bunch of hasty attacks. (This is WitE 1 experience, which I believe translates to WitE2.) A unit making a hasty attack cannot be assigned support units from the Corps HQ if a) it is outside the support range of the HQ (5 hexes) or b) if the Corps HQ has moved. So after the first few hexes, the mobile division would no longer be receiving support. Generally, I assign an engineer battalion to Panzer divisions and Panzerjaeger and Sturmgeschutz battalions to motorized divisions. (In addition to self propelled flak units.)


Thanks for the explanation.

Presumably when the Fronts stabilise that decision may change as Corps HQ are more likely to be static and in correct locations to allow the support units to help out multiple Divisions or am I missing something?

RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:01 pm
by HardLuckYetAgain
ORIGINAL: devoncop

Thanks for the updates.

Am I right in assuming support units have been assigned to Corps level (excepting flak)... ?

I know Strategy Gaming Dojo favours this approach but I am aware several veteran players allocate them to Divisions.

For me it depends on who I am playing. I can usually tell a persons play style by the 3rd turn if not before. Plus I normally have support units travel up to OKH starting turn 1 and really don't allocate those support units until turn 4 or later.

RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:03 pm
by HardLuckYetAgain
Turn 1

North Front

Decided to forgo any more interim posts on my game play in the middle of the turn and go to the end positions of my units. Without further ado here is the North.



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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:05 pm
by HardLuckYetAgain
Turn 1

North

Riga Combat



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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:07 pm
by HardLuckYetAgain
Turn 1

North

The rest of the Northern front infantry.

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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:09 pm
by HardLuckYetAgain
Turn 1

Center

Minsk Taken & other units around Minsk surrounded. Multiple other pockets in this area too.

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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:11 pm
by HardLuckYetAgain
Turn 1

Center Brest area. Soviets herded to control points for next turn.



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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:14 pm
by HardLuckYetAgain
Turn 1

Center southern section. Form a pocket here. Always looking to surround units. My last AAR game in BETA I was able to Kill/Surrender around 3.5 million Soviets by turn 23. I found it was not enough for my liking. So will be redoubling my efforts in this game.

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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:15 pm
by HardLuckYetAgain
Turn 1

Southern Front

Not much has change since last picture. Transfer units around HQ's and got the Southern front within Command point limit.

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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:18 pm
by HardLuckYetAgain
Turn 1 OOB

I haven't finished the turn yet since I have a bunch of housekeeping & TOE settings I need to do. But Bobo should have the turn back later this afternoon.

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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:18 pm
by HardLuckYetAgain
Turn 1

Ground Losses



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