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ORIGINAL: tolsdorff


Your post adds exactly nothing of value. You are the troll here.

Using your words as a baseline, it looks like we have something in common.

Is your life so sad that you feel the need to bash someone on a forum asking questions about a computer game?

If your following sentence had a ring of truth to it you might have a point. The OP offered an assessment of this forum and I offered a rebuttal.. The only reason I reply to your nonsense is I think we both know you took what I wrote out of context. On another note life for me is great, I'm blessed beyond measure but thanks for the inquiry.

ORIGINAL: SuluSea

ORIGINAL: Tanaka

ORIGINAL: ggeilman

As one that is still a relative NOOB here, only been playing for about 3 to 4 months, I have seen the forum get a lot grumpier since I first came online. What as originally a rather welcoming place quickly degenerated into a lot of RTFM. From a NOOBs perspective, let me say that there is reading the manual, understanding the manual and trying to ask questions regarding tactics which will never be in the manual. Flame wars are never fun and generally not helpful for those that have to read them. I know as I used to get into my share of them back in the 90s. Been on BBSs since the late 80s.
On the subject at hand, I had not even looked at threat tolerance yet. Been mostly just using TF routing, but I am only into late March of 42 so this is something I probably should be aware of. I like the idea of the combat report with the moon phases on it and second would like to learn how to do that.
But honestly I have gotten to the point I don't even like posting questions anymore will all the RTFM responses.

Yeah it is defintely no longer an inviting forum welcoming newbies or growth anymore. It has basically become a private old man club. I have come to pretty much expect to have to defend every single question I ask at this point. I've gotten used to it and these old codgers don't scare me. In any form of teaching or learning there is no such thing as a stupid question just stupid responses that waste your time. I know most of the rules but want to improve on my tactics. For example I knew how the threat tolerance rules worked for the most part I just wanted to hear from some players on some different ideas how they might use them. No one ever considers how new players might benefit from questions being asked. Just the same old get the f out responses. It has basically become the old man in rocking chair yelling get off of my lawn forum. Or it is just Karens wanting to complain about everything and helping nothing. They would rather spend all of their time bitching rather than using 1/5 of that time just to post a quick link or suggestion which no one is even requiring them to do. So just move on if you don't want to. Is that really such a difficult thing to do? But no must be a Karen.

Freind, this is a family.forum. Your retort as often does comes off as childish and your vague accusations is troll like behavior.

Could it be that some find you intellectually lazy? You've asked nothing that can't be solved by using common sense or covered numerous times each year and/or in documentation.

Earlier in the thread.You pointed out your value to others by creating these threads.... Let me correct you, the value is only added when people give their time, share their knowledge and answer your questions.

You are probably right that I am being too vague in my defense against aggressors. I am letting a few bad eggs that will not stop attacking me ruin my view of this forum. Back in the days of Uncommon Valor and War in the Pacific I loved these forums. But something has changed and they have become toxic. Forum members are literally saying they are afraid to even ask questions anymore. You are right I should blame only a few bad eggs for that.

I find a lot of people a lot of things on this forum but I never attack anyone unless attacked first. And I will defend myself. So what is the definition of an internet troll:

In internet slang, a troll is a person who posts inflammatory, insincere, digressive,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as social media (Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc.), a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog), with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses,[2] or manipulating others' perception. This is typically for the troll's amusement, or to achieve a specific result such as disrupting a rival's online activities or manipulating a political process. Even so, Internet trolling can also be defined as purposefully causing confusion or harm to other users online, for no reason at all.

So that being said lets break it down for the intellectually lazy. I bring up a subject for discussion when I can't find everything I am looking for in the manual or forum. Get attacked for it. Defend myself. And you call me the troll.

I did not point out my value. I pointed out the value of posts that bring up discussions. Take out all of the toxic noise and all of my posts have. Like it or not.

So yes value to this forum is added when people ask questions and people give their time to discuss and share and answer. That is how a forum is supposed to work.

I am playing my very first PBEM ever at the moment and a lot more questions have come up than vs the AI and I am trying to improve things even more. I see almost every post in the Opponents wanted section is seeking Japanese Fan Boy opponents but there are very few out there available because of the work learning the complexity of playing the Japanese and the unfun situation of being manhandled after 1942 by the super forces of the Allies. Well here is one and I am being chased off the forums.

I always try and search the manual and forums before I make a post. I may not always perfectly find what I am looking for. I don't know how else to say that anymore...

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.a ... age=2&key=

ORIGINAL: wdolson

For those who hit the report button, all I get when that happens is a blank email. I got three of those with an actual PM telling me what's going on.

People, chill with the personal attacks. In the future I suggest if someone seems to be repeating a question that has already been asked, move on to a different thread rather than go on the attack.

But in short, just stop the personal attacks!

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.a ... age=2&key=

Please be civil.

Also, when asking questions, please be specific. It does help if you know how something is done but if you want to know how people do something the way that they do it and why they do it that way, please state that.

As an example for the answers given previously, someone may not know that with no port facilities available that a transport TF will not unload at a base or will unload slowly. A prime example is when new players try to unload units at Milne Bay and can't understand why the ships just are not unloading or are unloading very slowly.

"Back in the days of Uncommon Valor and War in the Pacific I loved these forums."


What fantasy land were you living in back then?

UV had one of the most contentious forums on this site.

A particular Argentinian Anglophobe spent all of his time on the forum denigrating the Allied side and attacking anyone who played the Allied side.

The 'good ole days' are rarely as good as we tend to remember them.

I understand fully that there are two kinds of people in this world, those who do for themselves and those who want others to do for them.

Don't be so surprised when you rub up against the 'doers for themselves' and find your rubbing to have been ingratiating.

ORIGINAL: tolsdorff

ORIGINAL: SuluSea

ORIGINAL: Tanaka

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Yeah it is defintely no longer an inviting forum welcoming newbies or growth anymore. It has basically become a private old man club. I have come to pretty much expect to have to defend every single question I ask at this point. I've gotten used to it and these old codgers don't scare me. In any form of teaching or learning there is no such thing as a stupid question just stupid responses that waste your time. I know most of the rules but want to improve on my tactics. For example I knew how the threat tolerance rules worked for the most part I just wanted to hear from some players on some different ideas how they might use them. No one ever considers how new players might benefit from questions being asked. Just the same old get the f out responses. It has basically become the old man in rocking chair yelling get off of my lawn forum. Or it is just Karens wanting to complain about everything and helping nothing. They would rather spend all of their time bitching rather than using 1/5 of that time just to post a quick link or suggestion which no one is even requiring them to do. So just move on if you don't want to. Is that really such a difficult thing to do? But no must be a Karen.

Freind, this is a family.forum. Your retort as often does comes off as childish and your vague accusations is troll like behavior.

Could it be that some find you intellectually lazy? You've asked nothing that can't be solved by using common sense or covered numerous times each year and/or in documentation.

Earlier in the thread.You pointed out your value to others by creating these threads.... Let me correct you, the value is only added when people give their time, share their knowledge and answer your questions.

Your post adds exactly nothing of value. You are the troll here. Is your life so sad that you feel the need to bash someone on a forum asking questions about a computer game?

Tollsdorf,your post is just gaslighting rubbish.

There are plenty of great threads on here, where someone posts an interesting, intelligent, and specific question for discussion.

I don't recall Tanaka ever starting one of those.

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

Please be civil.

Also, when asking questions, please be specific. It does help if you know how something is done but if you want to know how people do something the way that they do it and why they do it that way, please state that.

As an example for the answers given previously, someone may not know that with no port facilities available that a transport TF will not unload at a base or will unload slowly. A prime example is when new players try to unload units at Milne Bay and can't understand why the ships just are not unloading or are unloading very slowly.

Tanaka,

RangerJoe is right. You should work harder on your questions.

You don’t want to give the impression that if you don’t know something or
can’t find something that it’s not your fault because there is nothing wrong
With you. It is the fault of someone else.

Veteran players like me know that is not true. We can find what we want on
the forum and figure out most of what we need to know just by hard work.

Also, new players don’t want to project the attitude that if they don’t know about something
everyone should drop everything they are doing and rush to their playpen and take as
much time with them as they require just to make sure they are all tucked in and cozy.

You are right about some of us old men.
There are some of us old men, as well as some other veteran players, on this forum
Who don’t change diapers. That is a fact.

I can only speak for myself but when I come to the forum to ask a question I come
Hat in Hand and if I get slapped I examine myself first and foremost.

That said, you and ggeilman had asked about the moon phases in the game.
They are historically accurate. The game designers used the real world moon
phases from the 1940’s in the game.
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2212584

You also asked how I added the calendars to my operation reports.
In these two posts I’ve listed the tools I use to modify my graphics.
fb.asp?m=4936465
fb.asp?m=4803141
Read the whole thread.

fb.asp?m=2213073
If you work hard and learn to use the right tools you can modify
almost all the art in the game.

Of course I’m no Kull. He can do things I can’t with the game art.
His work is very beautiful. You need to look up his ship art.

So if I want to send a TF through an area to clear or patrol it say a cruiser TF I would want the threat tolerance high, but if I want to send a troop transport I probably want it as low as I can get, right?

Thanks for the links Trugrit, I will have to check them out.

As far as learning things the hard way, yes I had to learn that if you wanted to land at a place with 0 port facilities you will need to be in amphib mode. Not that it helped me much at Milton Bay. The AI took it almost as fast as I landed there! Port Moresby OTH, I have pretty well invested having turned away several invasion attempts already.

Not necessarily for either TF. If you want to patrol it and may face an opposing Surface Combat TF (SCTF) that is more powerful, you don't want to slug it out. But if you are protecting your transports at a port, you will want them to slug it out But you may want lower numbered SCTF with DDs with low aggression to run in and fire a few shots while launching torpedoes and then run away. You can also do that with the lighter light cruisers and DDs. If a torpedo hits any enemy ship, that ship may sink or withdraw with another ship as an escort. Then your SCTF that is stronger will have a better chance at protecting the transports.

Depending upon where the transports are going, you might need a higher aggression level for them to even approach the base that you want them to go to. But if the base is in the rear areas, then the low aggression is good to help keep away from enemy surface raiders as well as enemy carrier TFs including float plane carriers that are trying to raid your rear areas.

For Milne Bay, you can also have float planes fly in a few supplies and engineers right away to start building the port facilities.

Good! People are communicating instead of insulting each other

ORIGINAL: tolsdorff

Good! People are communicating instead of insulting each other

The specific question helped a lot. [:)]

ORIGINAL: Trugrit

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

Please be civil.

Also, when asking questions, please be specific. It does help if you know how something is done but if you want to know how people do something the way that they do it and why they do it that way, please state that.

As an example for the answers given previously, someone may not know that with no port facilities available that a transport TF will not unload at a base or will unload slowly. A prime example is when new players try to unload units at Milne Bay and can't understand why the ships just are not unloading or are unloading very slowly.

Tanaka,

RangerJoe is right. You should work harder on your questions.

You don’t want to give the impression that if you don’t know something or
can’t find something that it’s not your fault because there is nothing wrong
With you. It is the fault of someone else.

Veteran players like me know that is not true. We can find what we want on
the forum and figure out most of what we need to know just by hard work.

Also, new players don’t want to project the attitude that if they don’t know about something
everyone should drop everything they are doing and rush to their playpen and take as
much time with them as they require just to make sure they are all tucked in and cozy.

You are right about some of us old men.
There are some of us old men, as well as some other veteran players, on this forum
Who don’t change diapers. That is a fact.

I can only speak for myself but when I come to the forum to ask a question I come
Hat in Hand and if I get slapped I examine myself first and foremost.

That said, you and ggeilman had asked about the moon phases in the game.
They are historically accurate. The game designers used the real world moon
phases from the 1940’s in the game.
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2212584

You also asked how I added the calendars to my operation reports.
In these two posts I’ve listed the tools I use to modify my graphics.
fb.asp?m=4936465
fb.asp?m=4803141
Read the whole thread.

fb.asp?m=2213073
If you work hard and learn to use the right tools you can modify
almost all the art in the game.

Of course I’m no Kull. He can do things I can’t with the game art.
His work is very beautiful. You need to look up his ship art.

Trugrit and RangerJoe thank you. Your posts I can respect. You are not attacking and being arrogent or rude or caddy and are being helpful and adding substance. I appreciate your advice and helpful hints, tips, links, and ideas. Cheers

PS- I've done a lot of modding on the art files myself. Mostly JFB stuff. Maybe I will post it all sometime. I definitely use the Kull ships and so many others.

The Kamikaze Bellum Pacifica Map has also been a game changer for me. It is so beautiful and easy to read. But now that Andrew has updated his map I am conflicted which to use in the future. It does not look like MakeeLearn is around anymore to update it again...

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4268822

So yes thanks to Kull and the many other contributors over the years who have worked hard to make WITPAE look and sound better. It is such an improvement over WITP.

I see now what you did with the moon phase addition. Thanks!