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I think we got a issue with Diassembly.

Playing Boskara and got the Troop Transport ship.
I retired it, albeit at a frontier colony.
It took forever

Yet I do not think there was a single notification about a tech breakthrough

zgrssd wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 1:18 am I think we got a issue with Diassembly.

Playing Boskara and got the Troop Transport ship.
I retired it, albeit at a frontier colony.
It took forever

Yet I do not think there was a single notification about a tech breakthrough

If it's the story one, its very advanced so that would take a very long time to disassemble.

You _should_ have gotten a tech breakthrough of some kind, or several, but it is randomized and it is possible you got none. Are you sure you didn't miss any (do you see unexplained progress on any techs in the research tree)?

I've noticed that I don't regularly get the tech breakthrough message either but it still grants the tech bonus after disassembly. I'm sure there are other things I'm missing but overall the game seems to be running just fine now on all fronts past anemic AI expansion if you don't give them enough of a head start.

Erik Rutins wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 2:59 am [...]

If it's the story one, its very advanced so that would take a very long time to disassemble.

You _should_ have gotten a tech breakthrough of some kind, or several, but it is randomized and it is possible you got none. Are you sure you didn't miss any (do you see unexplained progress on any techs in the research tree)?

I've retired the worst pirate escort over and over by stopping disassembly once it reached the hull, let it repair and start the process again. In 2776 I had generated about 1672 research worth at that moment more than 7 years of research. While this doesn't seem much remember, that's early game, when SSPs and RS are very rare, and I've added a few research bays only lately.
Since I'm playing atm on very slow research this may be less effective in normal or fast research setting.
The first point is, you can just scuttle one ship instead of a whole fleet.

The second point is the randomization. I really like the idea of studying tech by carefully disassembling it and than repairing it again, learning by doing, try and error, well none of these terms really fit, but you get the point. You'd expect to gain knowledge about the tech your working on. But it's not only randomized when you have an eureka moment discovering something new about this armor you're not able to add to your own designs - you're always capable to rebuild any destroyed component, even when it's beyond your imagination - you'll find tech that wasn't even part of the repaired object in the first place. Or, for that matter, known to the alien creator of the design you're working on.

It may make sense from a game design point of view, but for immersion that's a huge drawback. This back and forth, I'm totally fine with it. You're blocking one of your sparse yards in early game anyway. But randomization should focus on the components you're working on, not just tech, that might be part of a ship. The highest tech I got research points for was Shipboard Marines and no pirate I've met so far has ever known this tech, with the exception of The Clan of Superiority, of course.

And since we're talking about disassembling, please add this to construction ships, too. They should be able to disassemble stations instead of blowing them up as the only way to get rid of one - or study new tech, obviously

SirHoraceHarkness wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 3:27 am I've noticed that I don't regularly get the tech breakthrough message either but it still grants the tech bonus after disassembly. I'm sure there are other things I'm missing but overall the game seems to be running just fine now on all fronts past anemic AI expansion if you don't give them enough of a head start.

It is quite possible it is just the "Breakthrough from Retiring" that is broken. I do have some progress, but am not certain if it was this ship or some other Ruins/Events I had in the years since that process had started.

Either the Colonizer Code is realy smart or has one more issue. I am not sure:

Boskara game
I have a planet full of Securans
I gave order to Colonize Mikal. This propably unrelated, but it is noticable this was the last Volcanic Planet at 20+ Suitability for Boskara. In fact, even with current Terraforming there is not a single planet I could get to 20+.
Then I gave order to colonize a Desert Planet.
Then the suggestion negged me to build another colonizer.
Both were build
Both are going to the Desert planet to pick up colonists.

So either the game has a issue - both colonizers are en-route for picking up the Securans. Because Colonizers en-route are not considered when picking up colonists.
Or the game is realy smart - realizing there is nothing left for boskara to conolinze. But plenty of stuff for securans. So it picks them up intentionally.

Erik Rutins wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 6:14 pm

100thMonkey wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 5:14 pm Good to know that I'm already doing the right things to maximize captures. Yet, I've encountered again (even after 1.0.4.1) a situation where a fleet wasn't doing anything after receiving an order to capture a base in the same system. And, as before, the fleet "had" the capture mission, and the flagship had "No mission". While trying to figure out what was going on, I noticed that the flag ship's position within the fleet was "Core", while all the other ships had "Close Escort". I changed that to "Picket" for all ships (thanks for the new buttons/tools in tactical settings), and then they went and captured the base.

Is that the intended behavior: that even with a manual fleet, ship's tactical settings might interfere with a capture order?

Could you please share a save with us showing that issue? Does this duplicate for you in 1.0.4.3? I would love to have that save to see what's happening, impossible to really be sure without it.

I would, but I don't have any. I tried to reproduce the problem from old saves, and up to now, I haven't been able to. So maybe it was fixed by 1.0.4.3, or a combination of the changes in 1.0.4.3 and 1.0.4.1. I'll keep an eye for that behavior, and if I see it again, I'll post a report with a save.

I don't think that should affect the capture process, but it does relate to raid/boarding combat not progressing.

About the raid countdown:

• Are there indications in the game interface that such a countdown is active for a target? (I hope so: would be annoying to have an invasion stagnate because an enemy colony have been raided by pirates recently)

• Are there factors that can increase or decrease the countdown duration?

Regarding tankers: I've seen a tanker belonging to a fleet attack an enemy mining station, by itself, while the fleet was on its way toward another mining system in a far away system. That was with 1.0.4.3. I've posted a report about it (with a saved game):

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/view ... 6&t=384123

To devs

When do you plan to release 1.0.4.3?

We found a few more issues that will lead to one more public beta likely tomorrow, then hopefully an official update based on the latest round of betas on Tuesday next week.

100thMonkey wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 6:39 pm

Erik Rutins wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 6:14 pm

100thMonkey wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 5:14 pm Good to know that I'm already doing the right things to maximize captures. Yet, I've encountered again (even after 1.0.4.1) a situation where a fleet wasn't doing anything after receiving an order to capture a base in the same system. And, as before, the fleet "had" the capture mission, and the flagship had "No mission". While trying to figure out what was going on, I noticed that the flag ship's position within the fleet was "Core", while all the other ships had "Close Escort". I changed that to "Picket" for all ships (thanks for the new buttons/tools in tactical settings), and then they went and captured the base.

Is that the intended behavior: that even with a manual fleet, ship's tactical settings might interfere with a capture order?

Could you please share a save with us showing that issue? Does this duplicate for you in 1.0.4.3? I would love to have that save to see what's happening, impossible to really be sure without it.

I would, but I don't have any. I tried to reproduce the problem from old saves, and up to now, I haven't been able to. So maybe it was fixed by 1.0.4.3, or a combination of the changes in 1.0.4.3 and 1.0.4.1. I'll keep an eye for that behavior, and if I see it again, I'll post a report with a save.

I have encountered a situation, in 1.0.4.3, in which one of my fleet doesn't attack a nearby enemy fleet when ordered to do so, while another of my fleet does. I've posted a report here, with a saved game:
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/view ... 6&t=384193

The initial post has been updated to the 1.0.4.6 beta, which is available today via Steam and GOG. We hope to release this later this week or early next week as an official update.

You've can see and change Tactical Settings of enemy ships:

1. Select own ship and open Set Tactical
2. Select enemy ship
3. Change Tactical Settings of enemy ship
4. Let game run
5. Repeat

Confirmed!
I just told the enemy ships to evade and not to attack my poor ships ... and it worked perfectly !

Hello,
With the latest beta 1.0.4.6, the game is broken, my defence fleet will guard the planets but when the planets are attacked my fleets don't do anything, they just watch me planets getting taken over by the enemies. This patch made the game unplayable. Also, sometimes the troops on planets become stuck with the yellow arrow, as reserved by troop transporters, but the troop transporters never pick them up, sometimes the troops are garrisoned, so the only solution is to disband them.

vladcbnn wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 6:36 pm With the latest beta 1.0.4.6, the game is broken, my defence fleet will guard the planets but when the planets are attacked my fleets don't do anything, they just watch me planets getting taken over by the enemies. This patch made the game unplayable. Also, sometimes the troops on planets become stuck with the yellow arrow, as reserved by troop transporters, but the troop transporters never pick them up, sometimes the troops are garrisoned, so the only solution is to disband them.

Defense fleets are working fine here. Have you re-checked their tactical settings per the explanations in the change notes?

If you can't figure out a solution for these issues, please post a save file for us in the Tech Support sub-forum so that we can look into them.

Send [Ship] to Colonize [Independent] while [Ship] is Load(ing) colonists at [Colony] stops loading and sends ship directly to independent.

Colony ship can arrive with anything between empty and full load of colonists.

Since you don't see how much colonists are loaded when you click Send, you have to cross check before sending any colony ship - which can't be the intended behaviour, right?

Erik Rutins wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 9:56 pm

vladcbnn wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 6:36 pm With the latest beta 1.0.4.6, the game is broken, my defence fleet will guard the planets but when the planets are attacked my fleets don't do anything, they just watch me planets getting taken over by the enemies. This patch made the game unplayable. Also, sometimes the troops on planets become stuck with the yellow arrow, as reserved by troop transporters, but the troop transporters never pick them up, sometimes the troops are garrisoned, so the only solution is to disband them.

Defense fleets are working fine here. Have you re-checked their tactical settings per the explanations in the change notes?

If you can't figure out a solution for these issues, please post a save file for us in the Tech Support sub-forum so that we can look into them.

I've uploaded the savefile, now, only 1 of the fleets attacks the enemy, but when I played before, none of my fleets attacked the enemy, they just stood and looked at the enemy taking the colony, I could not reproduce the exact same scenario as when all the fleets didn't react.
https://we.tl/t-QxxtTKknA8

Thineboot wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 10:08 pm Send [Ship] to Colonize [Independent] while [Ship] is Load(ing) colonists at [Colony] stops loading and sends ship directly to independent.

Colony ship can arrive with anything between empty and full load of colonists.

Since you don't see how much colonists are loaded when you click Send, you have to cross check before sending any colony ship - which can't be the intended behaviour, right?

Do you have a save file that duplicates this?

You have a PM; checked it before sending in [1.0.4.6] - same result as described above.

Updated the original post to reflect the 1.0.4.7 beta update, which has just been released.

We recommend starting a new game with 1.0.4.7 for best results.

We expect the beta updates to become a big new official update next Tuesday.