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Soviet Turns 10-13 Center
Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2024 6:55 pm
by RKhan
Lots of excitement here.
This is the opening of turn 10 and my plan for the Smolensk area.

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In the course of moving I make unexpected progress. Is Smolensk really open?

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Goodness gracious!

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Soviet mech units can really move. Axis beware.
I win 2 out of 3 of the battles nearby. The result is a small pocket.

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Soviet Turns 10-13 Center
Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2024 7:06 pm
by RKhan
The Red Banner Suicide Cavalry Charge is still underway on turn 10. Readers may recall the entrained unit in Minsk. Here is the end of turn situation.

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Having completely wrecked the Minsk railyard, the suicide charge has reached its zenith.
This is the end of turn 11. The brave "volunteers" are all killed on the next turn and medals are given to the families on their behalf.

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I lost about 10 cavalry divisions. Was it worth it? I think it has made Moscow safe in 1941 so Papa Stalin says yes.
Soviet Turns 10-13 Center
Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2024 7:19 pm
by RKhan
Soviet Turns 10-13 Center
Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2024 7:26 pm
by RKhan
The end of the Smolensk offensive. It reminds me of the RL Soviet offensive fought in the same place and time, but this time the southern flank gave way. Would it have gone the same way in RL if the Germans had not held the Gomel - Mogilev area? An interesting discussion topic and I suggest it would have.

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Soviet Turns 10-13 South
Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2024 7:37 pm
by RKhan
In the south I decided on turn 9 to be brave and hold the Dnepr. This is turn 10 start.

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It cost me a break through, but I think it is one I can manage. I'm going to continue to stick to the river. I'm recalling the mobile units that are probably still near the Pripyat marshes and so his punch will lack strength for another turn.
Turn 11 start.

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DTown is captured. Time to run.
Here is the end of turn 13. The battle of Stalino begins. Or will it be Kharkov? Stay tuned.

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Soviet Turns 10-13 South
Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2024 7:46 pm
by RKhan
Let's end with a look at Crimea.
At the start of turn 10...

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I figure I have one turn before they break through the level 3 fort. How wrong I was...

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I'm a turn behind being ready here. I scramble to get more units into the area and buy time for the forts. This is the final position on turn 13. Will it hold up?

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I know the key is to hold the ports open so I have prepped three AOGs of my best fighters to fly into the area next turn.
(I like to build the AOGs out of range and then fly up. I suspect they are sitting targets on the first turn in from reserve. Am I right?)
Re: Thrashing Around in Russia - Again. RKhan (S) vs Strategator (A)
Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:26 pm
by RKhan
Updating the AAR takes a bit of work and I was curious if folks are actually following these things here on the Matrix forum, or perhaps this sort of thing has all moved to Discord? I don't see much activity on any of the threads here.
Thank you for any feedback!
Re: Thrashing Around in Russia - Again. RKhan (S) vs Strategator (A)
Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 3:44 pm
by Nirosi
I read.

Hopefully, more do as well.
And thanks for your work.
Re: Thrashing Around in Russia - Again. RKhan (S) vs Strategator (A)
Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:59 pm
by TallBlondJohn
Reading this and enjoying it very much.
Re: Thrashing Around in Russia - Again. RKhan (S) vs Strategator (A)
Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 9:23 pm
by Xareon63
I'm following this game

Re: Thrashing Around in Russia - Again. RKhan (S) vs Strategator (A)
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 10:30 am
by tm1
RKhan wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:26 pm
Updating the AAR takes a bit of work and I was curious if folks are actually following these things here on the Matrix forum, or perhaps this sort of thing has all moved to Discord? I don't see much activity on any of the threads here.
Thank you for any feedback!
Very impressed that you have launched Operation Bagration 3 years early, we shall have to see if The Axis can swing this game around.
Re: Thrashing Around in Russia - Again. RKhan (S) vs Strategator (A)
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 1:36 pm
by RKhan
tm1 wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2024 10:30 am
RKhan wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:26 pm
Updating the AAR takes a bit of work and I was curious if folks are actually following these things here on the Matrix forum, or perhaps this sort of thing has all moved to Discord? I don't see much activity on any of the threads here.
Thank you for any feedback!
Very impressed that you have launched Operation Bagration 3 years early, we shall have to see if The Axis can swing this game around.
I was thinking about it more as the battle of Yelnya with better luck on the flank attack. The Axis have definitely stopped the suicide charge and are starting to get traction in the center again. I think the fun is all in the south now, but I'm waiting for Strategator to have a chance to make an update before I post more turns. He's been very busy this week with work.
Re: Thrashing Around in Russia - Again. RKhan (S) vs Strategator (A)
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:01 pm
by Strategator
Hey folks, I am back from a long, exhausting business trip, ready to give my update report for turn 10-13.
First, thank you all for your encouraging feedback and your interest in our game.
Turn 10-13 were exciting times indeed, with most substantial happenings in the center.
I will go on with our theme based approach starting with the most exiting/relevant in the center.
The most annoing mistake, to let smolensk open was very well explained by RKhan.
My problem here was, that I already feared to loose divisions, due to the ongoing supply shortage and some Units already being encircled at start of T10 as you can see here.

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In this turn it became very clear to me, that I was not in the condition to do any further offensive actions in center, but had to do everything to minimize the damage.
This led to the vital mistake leaving smolenks and the "norther flank" open enough for the sovjiets to fill the gap.
At least I managed to retreat the endangered Diviosion - for now.

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Also I was finally sure to have the Minsk region secured and only left some CAV spreading around, that could be pushed back easily in the folowing turns.

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Turn 11 I could still punch my divisions out of a full encirclement, but it's increasingly harder to get them back to the secure lines near smolenks.

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Supply is still not coming trough at this point, leaving many divisions in an pretty bad status already.
Re: Thrashing Around in Russia - Again. RKhan (S) vs Strategator (A)
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:19 pm
by Strategator
The supply in AGC was fully reliant on air-supply at this point, which I guess made the difference to not fully loose the whole frontline at this early point.
I was able to hold the bad position and re-take smolenks at turn 13.
The supply re-opened at turn 13, taking the northern RR over Vitbesk.

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Also I whiped the assaulting CAV units after they were encircled themselfes. So I took a little, satisfieng revange there at least.
Anyway, as you saw in the report of RKhan, finally I had to leave two ID behind, unable to break the pocket a fourth time in turn 13.
(Wrong screenshot here, will fix that later)

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At this point center came to an hold. All in all I was happy to hold the line, loosing "only" two ID's.
So OKH came to the decision to shift priorities. Due to the situation in center we shut down the supply priorities there and startet bringing way more resources to the north, where I made good advance in turn 10-13.
One major Impact had the brave Luftwaffe, as OKL redirected many AOG to Luftflotte 1 in the north, leaving center only with the bare minimum of fighters and some bomber group (+recon of course).

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From turn 12 onwards I continued the offensive after a short halt to regroup/refit and waiting for the supply lines to fully reach the front.

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Re: Thrashing Around in Russia - Again. RKhan (S) vs Strategator (A)
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:26 pm
by Strategator
Also at AGN I managed to destoy his front depot on my eastern flank, which should cause him not to be able to bring much supply to this section of the front.
Maybe I overestimated this facor, but with no RR nearby I could not imagine him to have any source of good supply in this region.
In the following turns my thoughts were approached so far, as there were no offensive actions from sovjet side in this region. If the depot was a relevant point for this, who knows, maybe RKhan will tell us.

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All in all this part of the front was under good supply the whole time, the flanks are secured on both sides and air support is overwhelming.
Re: Thrashing Around in Russia - Again. RKhan (S) vs Strategator (A)
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:39 pm
by Strategator
Interesting developments also in the south with the generals of OKH to decide this front to be top 2 priority from now on there was also a decent amount of air-support and air-supply available.
The spearhead was able to take D'town at turn 11 and decided to seek the battle wherever possible.

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Anyway the intense advance, some bigger battles PzGrp 1 came to a little halt at turn 13 starting a well deserved and needed resupply.
The supply was overall good here, with Air-supply assisting the RR supply, but the fast Divisions really overextended here and were way to dispersed to concentrate enough force for decicive breakthrough.
Also the sovjets decided to do a pretty effective slow retreat, making encirclements almost impossible.
Due to the open terrain and good air-support there were many advantagous battles fought, unfortunately I do not have too many screenshots here.

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My general thoughts here are to wait for the far-behind infantry to close-up and start re-start the advance towards stalino ASAP.
The infantry was lagging behind due to flank-securing and hex-flipping task in the rear, for which I should have used the Axis Allies earlier, but now I have to take it as it is.
Re: Thrashing Around in Russia - Again. RKhan (S) vs Strategator (A)
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:47 pm
by Strategator
Another very successful "front" was again the Crimea-region where I was able to do the breakthroughs as RKhan described.
11th army used brute force here, with many pioniers, heavy werfers, much artillery and air-support and managed to take half of the crimea, including the valuable port in a single flowing advance.
This was the breakthrough battle in turn 11.

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And here the situation after turn 13.

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Again, I am happy with the results here, the re-assignment of many SU made a fast advance possible and supply is now coming from the port.
Unfortunately the Rumanian RR was lagging behind (and will withdraw in T14), so it became clear that the crimea will only be supplied by air-drops and the port for quite some time.
Thanks for reading so far.
If you have any feedback, or you are interested in any detail- let us know. I/we will be glad to anwers

Turn 14 - 16 (axis view)
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 7:20 pm
by Strategator
I will continue with my summary of turn 14 - 16, which was not as full of exciting events as our last turns.
Actually, center can be handled very briefly here, as not much happened. Priority was to regroup, refit and resupply units, there were almost no offensive actions in this area.
This is the situation at the end of turn 16:

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Due to the new priorities OKH degraded PzGruppe 2 and dismissed the status of an assault army.

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The title of an assault army was promoted to the north to 18th army, leading the charge towards leningrad.
Any new ID were send there and again, good progress was made in turn 14 and 15, crossing the luga and get a foodhold on the northern side of the river.

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Also there was additional air-support in form if the 1st Rum.Fighter Flotilla, which are certainly not the best equipped fighters, but the ~100 mashines did a good job side by side of the german JG.

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Re: Thrashing Around in Russia - Again. RKhan (S) vs Strategator (A)
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 7:24 pm
by Strategator
In turn 15 the sky was cleared again, and in the north the army can still count on good air-support.

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At turn 16 the advance came to an halt due to increasingly bad weather, turning the ground into mud and gave 18th army and PzGrp 4 a well deserved rest.

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Here is the situation at the end of t16:

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Re: Thrashing Around in Russia - Again. RKhan (S) vs Strategator (A)
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 7:32 pm
by Strategator
IN the south, things turned out to be a little confusing.
At turn 14 stalino was reached, which was indeed my target before winter. Unfortunatly there was almost no infantry nearby and I did not dare to do the assault on the town with Panzers + ModDiv.

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I planned to do an encirlement of the town first, which proofed to be way more complicated than I expected and finally failed in turn 16, due to the shift to my now endangered northern flank here (see below).

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In the retrospective this the pause seems to be a mistake, I should have taken the town when I had the possibility, although I would have lost valuable tanks in this attack for sure.
But the new thread came again in form of massive CAV attacks from the Kharkov region, encirling several spreaded ID + Mountain Divisions.

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I could easily break this encirclements and managed to stop this CAV suicide much earlier this time. In the end here was no RR damaged and no Division lost.

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But the unexpected Counter-Attack and the still lacking behind Infantry forced me to retreat my tanks and secure my progress, as weather was becoming bad already.